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From: Noddy on 21 Dec 2009 08:23 "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:wFIXm.63750$ze1.60859(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > I still have some Phase 4 parts in the shed > They didn't make it onto the market > But, I knew a bloke who worked at Ford and he said they put all the Phase > 4 stuff into containers or whatever, but a lot of parts got thrown over > the fence, to be retrieved after the knock-off hooter > and I bought a couple of heavy duty alternators, starters and some guages > Still in the shed somewhere Most of the Phase IV parts that were different from regular XA GT parts were mechanical components, and most of the Phase IV parts that were originally stockpiled for Phase IV production were either given away for free, sold as accessories or offered as "under counter" options to XA GT buyers as part of the RPO-83 option. When the Ph.IV GTHO was cancelled in 1972, Ford had stockpiled enough mechanical parts to make roughly 200 cars, and enough spare engine components to make a further 50 or so engines. Some of the parts were given away to racing teams for use on their own cars, some were handed over to the Special Vehicles department for use on the Factory "works" XY's used for the 1972 season and some were fitted to standard "run of the mill" cars as they went down the production line. The 15 inch Globe "Bathurst" alloy wheels that were earmarked for the PH.IV were all offered to existing Ph.III owners free of charge as a "retro-fit" so they could be homologated for use on the Phase III during the 1972 ATCC season. The engine blocks, cranks, rods and pistons were used in anything that was destined to have a 351 Cleveland fitted (with the appropriate number stamped into the blocks when they were fitted to the vehicles), the Boss 351 heads were fitted to anything going down the line to use them up, and most of the other parts that weren't/couldn't be fitted to standard cars were offered as "genuine accessories" through Ford spare parts counters, to XA GT buyers as "RPO-83" options or scrapped. The RPO-83 option was only available to XA GT buyers who were "in the know", and it was basically a secret list of excess stock PH.IV parts than a GT buyer could option into their cars at give away prices. The list included an 8000rpm tacho, Boss 351 heads, Pacemaker headers, a large profile solid lifter camshaft, an aluminium inlet manifold, a specially built Holley 780cfm carb and a nodular 9 inch carrier with a gearset of their choice ranging from 2.75 to 5.67:1. Buyers could select as many options as they wished, and they ended up with whatever was available at the time. Because stocks were limited and because Ford tended to throw the parts at anything they felt like no two RPO-83 equipped XA GT's were ever the same, and it wasn't completely unheard of to find a Fairlane or F-100 leaving the factory with a set of Boss 351 heads that the owner didn't know about. As for the Phase IV itself, only one complete original production car was ever built before the project was cancelled. It was a Calypso Green XA sedan built at Broadmeadows in June of 1972, and it's the only complete original XA Falcon that was ever manufactured to the original Phase IV spec and fitted with a "GTHO" compliance plate. It survives today in the hands of a private collector, and it's value is said to be well in excess of a million dollars. 3 other cars were built for the Ford factory works team as race cars at the Special Vehicles building in Thomastown. All three were red XA GT sedans taken off the assembly line and delivered straight to the FSV building in Thomastown where they were "modified" to PH.IV spec in anticipation for racing. All three were sold off once the Phase IV project was cancelled, and two of the three survive today. The third was wrecked in an accident some time in the 1980's. All three red "factory" cars carried a standard XA GT compliance plate. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: PhilD on 21 Dec 2009 08:51 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4b2f777d$0$22004$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:wFIXm.63750$ze1.60859(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > The 15 inch Globe "Bathurst" alloy wheels that were earmarked for the > PH.IV were all offered to existing Ph.III owners free of charge as a > "retro-fit" so they could be homologated for use on the Phase III during > the 1972 ATCC season. Was there a difference between the one's given away by Ford and the general one's that Globe were selling to the public later on through tire dealers? I bought a set over the counter in about 76/77 and to fit them I had to source XA (I think) upper arms that had a 3 bolt ball joint as against the 4 bolt XY one's as the arm jammed the rim. PhilD
From: George W Frost on 21 Dec 2009 16:28 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4b2f777d$0$22004$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:wFIXm.63750$ze1.60859(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >> I still have some Phase 4 parts in the shed >> They didn't make it onto the market >> But, I knew a bloke who worked at Ford and he said they put all the Phase >> 4 stuff into containers or whatever, but a lot of parts got thrown over >> the fence, to be retrieved after the knock-off hooter >> and I bought a couple of heavy duty alternators, starters and some >> guages >> Still in the shed somewhere > > Most of the Phase IV parts that were different from regular XA GT parts > were mechanical components, and most of the Phase IV parts that were > originally stockpiled for Phase IV production were either given away for > free, You mean to say that I got ripped off and paid for something which was free. >sold as accessories or offered as "under counter" options to XA GT buyers >as part of the RPO-83 option. > > When the Ph.IV GTHO was cancelled in 1972, Ford had stockpiled enough > mechanical parts to make roughly 200 cars, and enough spare engine > components to make a further 50 or so engines. Some of the parts were > given away to racing teams for use on their own cars, some were handed > over to the Special Vehicles department for use on the Factory "works" > XY's used for the 1972 season and some were fitted to standard "run of the > mill" cars as they went down the production line. > > The 15 inch Globe "Bathurst" alloy wheels that were earmarked for the > PH.IV were all offered to existing Ph.III owners free of charge as a > "retro-fit" I have a 5 Globe mags in the backyard doing nothing, but only a set of four, the fifth one has a wider rim. > so they could be homologated for use on the Phase III during the 1972 ATCC > season. The engine blocks, cranks, rods and pistons were used in anything > that was destined to have a 351 Cleveland fitted (with the appropriate > number stamped into the blocks when they were fitted to the vehicles), the > Boss 351 heads were fitted to anything going down the line to use them up, > and most of the other parts that weren't/couldn't be fitted to standard > cars were offered as "genuine accessories" through Ford spare parts > counters, to XA GT buyers as "RPO-83" options or scrapped. > > The RPO-83 option was only available to XA GT buyers who were "in the > know", and it was basically a secret list of excess stock PH.IV parts than > a GT buyer could option into their cars at give away prices. The list > included an 8000rpm tacho, Boss 351 heads, Pacemaker headers, a large > profile solid lifter camshaft, an aluminium inlet manifold, a specially > built Holley 780cfm carb and a nodular 9 inch carrier with a gearset of > their choice ranging from 2.75 to 5.67:1. Buyers could select as many > options as they wished, and they ended up with whatever was available at > the time. Because stocks were limited and because Ford tended to throw the > parts at anything they felt like no two RPO-83 equipped XA GT's were ever > the same, and it wasn't completely unheard of to find a Fairlane or F-100 > leaving the factory with a set of Boss 351 heads that the owner didn't > know about. > > As for the Phase IV itself, only one complete original production car was > ever built before the project was cancelled. It was a Calypso Green XA > sedan built at Broadmeadows in June of 1972, and it's the only complete > original XA Falcon that was ever manufactured to the original Phase IV > spec and fitted with a "GTHO" compliance plate. It survives today in the > hands of a private collector, and it's value is said to be well in excess > of a million dollars. > > 3 other cars were built for the Ford factory works team as race cars at > the Special Vehicles building in Thomastown. All three were red XA GT > sedans taken off the assembly line and delivered straight to the FSV > building in Thomastown where they were "modified" to PH.IV spec in > anticipation for racing. All three were sold off once the Phase IV project > was cancelled, and two of the three survive today. The third was wrecked > in an accident some time in the 1980's. All three red "factory" cars > carried a standard XA GT compliance plate. > > -- > Regards, > Noddy. >
From: Noddy on 21 Dec 2009 17:06 "PhilD" <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote in message news:j3LXm.63774$ze1.19246(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Was there a difference between the one's given away by Ford and the > general one's that Globe were selling to the public later on through tire > dealers? Only in that they were 15 inch diameter compared to the more common 14 inch at the time, and that they came from Globe with the Ford part number cast into the back of them. > I bought a set over the counter in about 76/77 and to fit them I had to > source XA (I think) upper arms that had a 3 bolt ball joint as against the > 4 bolt XY one's as the arm jammed the rim. Presumably they were 14 inch ones? -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Noddy on 21 Dec 2009 17:29
"George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:WLRXm.63816$ze1.56841(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > You mean to say that I got ripped off and paid for something which was > free. Well, it depends on what you got of course :) When I say they gave stuff away from free, I don't mean they were standing on a street corner handing it out to anyone who wanted it. The bulk of the free parts went to race car owners who were punting Fords around on various tracks, and other things went to existing private customers. Like the Globe alloy wheels for example. > I have a 5 Globe mags in the backyard doing nothing, but only a set of > four, the fifth one has a wider rim. The "Bathurst" alloy wheels intended to be used on the Phase IV (and subsequently given away to Phase III owners) were all specially made by Globe to Ford's spec's, and they were actually in the process of being manufactured when the Phase IV was cancelled. As Ford had already placed the order for 200 sets with Globe and tooling up had begun it was too late to cancel them, so it was decided to issue them as a retro-fit on existing and new Phase III's for racing homologation purposes. As a result, the original Globe "Bathurst" alloy wheels carry a part number of "XY-1007-A" which is cast into the back of the rim, and they were all 15x7 inch in size. Globe later released the wheel design to the public, and changed it from a 15 inch to 14 inch rim diameter to suit the wider variety of 14 inch tyres available at the time, and make it a standard "swap" for factory steel wheels which were almost all 14 inch in those days. If you have a 15x7 inch Globe rim in your back yard with "XY-1007-A" cast into the back of it then get it on ebay. The last one I saw sell went for almost 2 thousand bucks. If you had a complete set of GTHO originals they'd probably be worth enough money to buy a brand new Falcon :) -- Regards, Noddy. |