From: PhilD on


"George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD(a)connexus.net.au> wrote in message
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>> In article <4b2cd09a$0$99716$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net>,
>> me(a)home.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> > That was an easy one for you Noddy
>>>
>>> Not really. My eyesight isn't as good as it used to be, and I couldn't
>>> tell
>>> what kind of tail light was in the wagon. The black moulding on the
>>> tailgate
>>> gave it away as an XT :)
>>>
>>> > The HD had the sort of pointed headlight cowling on the guard, whereas
>>> > the
>>> > HD was more flattened and sedate
>>>
>>> I think you mean the *HR* had the front guard edges flattened back.
>>>
>>> > They changed it , I think because everyone was dinging in the guard
>>> > edge
>>> > and it would cost a new guard to replace
>>>
>>> I remember (post model release as I'm not *that* old) the HD was heavily
>>> criticised for it's front guards as many people considered them a danger
>>> to
>>> pedestrians. The "knife edge" of the front gaurds was heavily criticised
>>> and
>>> the press about the things was pretty negative at the time. Holden
>>> hurried
>>> the HR into production to counter it, which is why the HD had one of the
>>> shortest production runs of any new Holden (if not *the* shortest).
>>>
>>> I can just remember as a young kid ( I would have been 3 or 4 at the
>>> time)
>>> my old man buying a new "run-out" HD wagon as dealers were giving the
>>> things
>>> away at the time because of their popularity (or lack of it).
>>>
>>> > the XT has the indicator bar in the taillight, as the XR had the
>>> > small
>>> > rounded shaped one
>>>
>>> They did indeed, but did you know that the XR Fairmont taillight was
>>> unique
>>> to the Fairmont? They were a round light with a small indicator in the
>>> centre like a regular XR light, but unlike the regular XR light the
>>> Fairmont
>>> had a square indicator instead of a round one. Quite rare these days and
>>> they fetch good money when they come up at swap meets on occasion.
>>>
>>> The square indicator was taken from some US model (I can't remember
>>> which)
>>> and fitted to the XR lamp to make the "Fairmont" unit. It was a pretty
>>> insignificant change that most people didn't notice, and Ford learned a
>>> lesson in cost cutting. From the XT onwards they got over themselves and
>>> used a standard Falcon light in all models except the Fairlane and later
>>> LTD.
>> I mas given an early flacoon front end body phart that never made it into
>> phroduction. Being NVFI I chucked it. Prolabee collect table noooo.
>> NVFI: Not Verry Frucki*g Interarrested.
>> ...and No i haventh been driblinking.
>>
>
>
> I still have some Phase 4 parts in the shed
> They didn't make it onto the market
> But, I knew a bloke who worked at Ford and he said they put all the Phase
> 4 stuff into containers or whatever, but a lot of parts got thrown over
> the fence, to be retrieved after the knock-off hooter
> and I bought a couple of heavy duty alternators, starters and some guages
> Still in the shed somewhere
Similar stories went on about the Chrysler factory in Adelaide in the early
70's. There was supposedly a number of missing Charger engines and the story
went that a truck had left the Lonsdale engine plant headed for the Tonsley
assembly plant with an extra tier of engines that weren't noticed by the
Lonsdale gate guard. Supposedly the correct number of engines were delivered
to Tonsley. True or not, it sounds good.

PhilD

From: Jason James on

"PhilD" <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote in message
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> "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "PhilD" <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote in message
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>>> I'm trying to work out the year some photo's were taken in Darwin and so
>>> far the only thing we narrow it down to is "what's the most modern car
>>> in any of the photo's". Of the pictures we have the attached link is to
>>> the one that has the youngest car's in. There's a Falcon and a Holden
>>> that look to be either XR/XT and HD/HR.
>>>
>>> Can anyone give a better identification of either?
>>>
>>> http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv62/phild12s131e/AA044.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> PhilD
>>>
>>
>> The Falcon wagoin is an XT
>> The Mini is an 850
>> The Holden is a HD
> Which means circa 1968, probably.

Holden is an HR, Falcon is an XT.

Jason


From: Noddy on

"PhilD" <PhilD(a)NT.au> wrote in message
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> Similar stories went on about the Chrysler factory in Adelaide in the
> early 70's. There was supposedly a number of missing Charger engines and
> the story went that a truck had left the Lonsdale engine plant headed for
> the Tonsley assembly plant with an extra tier of engines that weren't
> noticed by the Lonsdale gate guard. Supposedly the correct number of
> engines were delivered to Tonsley. True or not, it sounds good.

I'm sure there was some of that stuff going on in those days, but most of it
would be folklore.

--
Regards,
Noddy.


From: PhilD on

"Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message
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> "PhilD" <PhilD(a)NT.au> wrote in message
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>> Similar stories went on about the Chrysler factory in Adelaide in the
>> early 70's. There was supposedly a number of missing Charger engines and
>> the story went that a truck had left the Lonsdale engine plant headed for
>> the Tonsley assembly plant with an extra tier of engines that weren't
>> noticed by the Lonsdale gate guard. Supposedly the correct number of
>> engines were delivered to Tonsley. True or not, it sounds good.
>
> I'm sure there was some of that stuff going on in those days, but most of
> it would be folklore.
>
Maybe, maybe not. Theft from work places has always, and will always, be a
problem. The bigger the Company and the bigger the site it operates on the
more likely it is that staff will find a way to exploit it. In cases of car
companies, letting staff get their private cars behind the factory gates is
a mistake if the car was also produced by them and parts exist that can be
swapped or installed on site without being seen. I know of one particular
example where lax security allowed that to happen and someone swapped a
faulty gearbox for a very good one. Another was a sprawling Govt site where
someone brought in their caravan on some fictitious excuse and worked on
refurbishing it on breaks etc in a disused shed. He only got caught after he
repainted it and then on trying to take it home a security guard at the gate
became suspicious as the colour didn't match the one brought in. Much of the
interior rebuild was found to also be Govt property.

In my own 38 years of employment there were just so many things going
missing at times and some by Managers/Supervisors themselves. A couple of
instances that I became aware of explained why some staff seemed to be
getting protection against dismissal. Their Manager didn't dare do anything
to them for fear of his own past actions getting aired by them.

PhilD


From: F Murtz on
PhilD wrote:
> "Noddy"<me(a)home.com> wrote in message
> news:4b31ebbe$0$22001$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net...
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>> "PhilD"<PhilD(a)NT.au> wrote in message
>> news:uY3Ym.64020$ze1.13183(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
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>>> Similar stories went on about the Chrysler factory in Adelaide in the
>>> early 70's. There was supposedly a number of missing Charger engines and
>>> the story went that a truck had left the Lonsdale engine plant headed for
>>> the Tonsley assembly plant with an extra tier of engines that weren't
>>> noticed by the Lonsdale gate guard. Supposedly the correct number of
>>> engines were delivered to Tonsley. True or not, it sounds good.
>>
>> I'm sure there was some of that stuff going on in those days, but most of
>> it would be folklore.
>>
> Maybe, maybe not. Theft from work places has always, and will always, be a
> problem. The bigger the Company and the bigger the site it operates on the
> more likely it is that staff will find a way to exploit it. In cases of car
> companies, letting staff get their private cars behind the factory gates is
> a mistake if the car was also produced by them and parts exist that can be
> swapped or installed on site without being seen. I know of one particular
> example where lax security allowed that to happen and someone swapped a
> faulty gearbox for a very good one. Another was a sprawling Govt site where
> someone brought in their caravan on some fictitious excuse and worked on
> refurbishing it on breaks etc in a disused shed. He only got caught after he
> repainted it and then on trying to take it home a security guard at the gate
> became suspicious as the colour didn't match the one brought in. Much of the
> interior rebuild was found to also be Govt property.
>
> In my own 38 years of employment there were just so many things going
> missing at times and some by Managers/Supervisors themselves. A couple of
> instances that I became aware of explained why some staff seemed to be
> getting protection against dismissal. Their Manager didn't dare do anything
> to them for fear of his own past actions getting aired by them.
>
> PhilD
>
>
In the railway people used to bring their trailers to repair them after
hours and drive out with new stainless ones. and numerous other rorts.