From: Raymond Keattch on
On 21/06/2008 20:04:07, The Real Doctor wrote:
> On 21 Jun, 16:20, "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keat...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 21/06/2008 16:02:38, The Real Doctor wrote:
>>
>> > On 21 Jun, 10:59, "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keat...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Have a look at this page ...
>>
>> >>http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/guides_protect.html
>>
>> >> About a third of the way down, you will see a red car. Its paint is very rich
>> >> looking (warm), but the reflections are not very deep. Just below that, you
>> >> will see another car with many more reflections, but less richness to the
>> >> paint.
>>
>> > I see two cars painted in different shades of red. As a result, no
>> > possible conclusion can be reached about the "richness" of the finish.
>>
>> So, you managed to find the red car, now go down just a little to the darker
>> colourd car - you will notice a totally different finish. Come back when you
>> have managed to do this simple task.
>
> But the same goes. They are different coloured cars, photographed from
> differemt angles under different lighting conditions. Of course they
> look different - but it's impossible to tell what if any effect the
> polish used has.

<sigh>



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From: Raymond Keattch on
On 21/06/2008 20:06:00, The Real Doctor wrote:
> On 21 Jun, 16:25, "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keat...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried
>> the same with my wife who has zero interest in HiFi - she also commented on
>> one pair sounding 'wider' than the other.
>
> What, precisely, did she mean by "wider"?

The extent of the sound further left and right from the center.

> Did you by any chance ask "Does this not sound wider to you?"

No, I didn't say a word from start to finish. When I did speak, the question
was, 'were there any differences between the two pairs?'.



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From: Raymond Keattch on
On 21/06/2008 17:51:21, Adrian wrote:
> "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
>>> I would _so_ love to get you to do a blind test.
>
>> No point.
>
> For you to say that, you obviously can't have much faith in there being a
> real, discernible, difference.

There will be no agreement. I have listened to each of the interconnects for
the last two years - I know they each have an effect on the sound quality. As
I said before, they are the cheaper pair, I don't have any HiFi friends, I am
not a HiFi snob and I do not relate sound quality to value. A good case in
point are my speakers. I have owned everything from �100 to �800 a pair. By
far the best sounding speakers (they can sound different can't they? After
all, they are just cones) are my current pair that cost me �200

>> I have two pairs that sound very different to each other in my system.
>
> So you should be able to easily identify them in a blind test.

Are you willing to admit they sound different to each other? No, of course
you wouldn't. You have fixed views that would say something is wrong with one
of the interconnects, because wire is wire. Maybe I like one pair because the
sheath is blue or maybe I don't like the smell of the other? I am reallny not
concerned with what voodo is happening - I like the music.

>
> Shall we do it at the same time as I pop over and you give me a run in
> the Rover to prove how fast you drive, how good the grip is, and how good
> the tyres are? Went a bit quiet on that one, didn't you?

You are quite welcome for a drive in the Rover. I wonder what point there
would be though - you already admit to finding the Rover cramped. I have no
doubt there are better tyres out there, so there is nothing to learn in that
regard.

I guess the only things to be discovered are do I smoke a pipe or wear a
cloth cap while driving or do I dawdle along 10mph under the limit. If that
is an agreeable set of terms then It would be great to meet you. However, you
must agree the car is shiny ;-)



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From: Raymond Keattch on
On 21/06/2008 17:49:29, Adrian wrote:
> "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
>>>> Have a look at this page ...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/guides_protect.html
>>> Oh, look. A website set up to flog a myriad of expensive car cleaning
>>> products. I wonder why they'll be stressing the benefits of using a
>>> myriad of expensive car cleaning products?
>
>> Take a look at the images on the page I posted - are you saying there is
>> no difference in the finishes on the different cars?
>
> As you say, they're different cars. They're also photographed in very
> different light conditions.
>
> You want me to say there's a definite difference? Find me one panel,
> starting from an even start point, and show me it - in the flesh - after
> sections have been treated with the different products.
>

Want to put your car forward for the test - one door with Carnauba and the
other with Sealant?

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From: Raymond Keattch on
On 21/06/2008 20:09:18, The Real Doctor wrote:
> On 21 Jun, 17:43, "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keat...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the images on the page I posted - are you saying there is no
>> difference in the finishes on the different cars?
>
> No. There are differences in appearance of photographs of different
> cars painted in different colours and photographed from different
> angles in different lighting conditions.
>
> Whoop de doo. It's not enough for me to pay a bloke to travel a couple
> of hundred miles to wash my car.

I didn't pay a guy to travel a couple of hundred miles to wash my car.


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