Car on water which instead of over 20 l/100km burns only aroun 5 liters per 100 kilometers
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From: srp2inc on 22 Jun 2008 09:44 On 22 juin, 03:59, Ron <dodo(a)hotmail> wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote innews:485D9C64.484EFEBD(a)hotmail.com: > > >http://www.econologie.com/wiki-moteur-pantone/index.php/Gillier-Pantone > > Gillier-Pantone > > Gillier-Pantone (or system GP) is a doping with the water which reduces > the consumption and the pollution of the diesel engines. > > All starts in 2000, when American Paul Pantone publishes on Internet the > plans of a supposed assembly to make turn an engine with gasoline 30% and > 70% of water (or various liquids: juice of orange, Coke, ketchup, etc ).. > Some drops of gasoline to start, some blows of starters and the engine > hums joyeusement without polluting The secrecy? Part of exhaust fumes is > injected into the tank. The bubbles thus produced release a gas which > passes in a tube containing a steel stem, itself placed in the tailpipe, > the whole being called engine. The hot gases leaving the engine arrive > at the admission and supply the engine, the carburettor being removed. > Some dream already of an operation with water 100%. Alas, even if a > little water is consumed (what explains depollution), the engine > functions only thanks to the gasoline fumes that the bullor extracted the > mixture. When there is no more enough of gasoline, it is the dry > breakdown ! > > In January 2001 the French farmer Antoine Gillier (presented on the > Quanthomme site) with the idea to simply replace by water the water-fuel > mixture of the bullor; the outgoing vapor of the engine is aspired by the > admission of the engine in addition to the normal fuel coming from the > carburettor or the injectors. Paul Pantone is skeptic. But it goes: > increase in the power, saving in fuel and especially depollution of the > engine without expensive particle filter! Water the injection, as old as > the spark-ignition engine, becomes vapor aspiration here. > > In October 2001, Christophe Martz does his work of end of study on the > Pantone system and obtains his diploma for the occupation of mechanical > engineer ENSAIS (the ENSAIS became INSA Strasbourg in 2003). This work > relates to the 100% (thus not Gillier-Pantone) and is completely > downloadable on this page:http://www.econologie.com/rapport-d-ingenieur- > ensais-sur-le-moteur-pantone-articles-93.html > > In 2003, the same Christophe Martz created the Econologie.com site in > order to synthesize research around the system and whose forums become at > the end of 2004 place of official exchange. Thanks to these forums, > Michel Lathuraz and Julien Rochereau (see Ci below) could present and > improve their work. > > In 2006, Michel Lathuraz puts on his site the plans of a steam generator > (Steam Generator) placé in the exhaust, simpler and more effective than > the bullor. > > At the end of 2006, Julien Rochereau worked out the theory of the > ionization of the steam, the most plausible explanation of the > performances brought by system GP. > > Gillier-Pantone is built according to precise parameters. It more or less > well was copied and marketed under the name of Spad, Vulcano, etc > > The manufacturer car are unaware of this technique superbly. Too much > simple? Not lucrative enough? Will it be necessary that the Chinese take > the initiative? The future will say it to us. That's what I suspect is eventually going to happen. Thanks to conceited fanatic negationist idiots like Eyesore. Just like him, his too numerous peers in the industry simply shut their eyes tight at the least ripple on orthodoxy while screaming at the top of their keyboards that all progress is bullshit. André Michaud > In spite of the success of Gillier-Pantone, researchers continue to study > the 100% Pantone in particular to supply a petrol engine with other > fuels. > > More: to seehttp://www.econologie.com/wiki-moteur- > pantone/index.php/Synth%C3%A8se_sur_le_dopage_%C3%A0_l%27eau_pantone
From: Eeyore on 22 Jun 2008 12:06 srp2inc(a)gmail.com wrote: > Ron wrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > >http://www.econologie.com/wiki-moteur-pantone/index.php/Gillier-Pantone > > > > Gillier-Pantone > > > > Gillier-Pantone (or system GP) is a doping with the water which reduces > > the consumption and the pollution of the diesel engines. > > > > All starts in 2000, when American Paul Pantone publishes on Internet the > > plans of a supposed assembly to make turn an engine with gasoline 30% and > > 70% of water (or various liquids: juice of orange, Coke, ketchup, etc�). > > Some drops of gasoline to start, some blows of starters and the engine > > hums joyeusement without polluting� The secrecy? Part of exhaust fumes is > > injected into the tank. The bubbles thus produced release a gas which > > passes in a tube containing a steel stem, itself placed in the tailpipe, > > the whole being called �engine�. The hot gases leaving the engine arrive > > at the admission and supply the engine, the carburettor being removed. > > Some dream already of an operation with water 100%. Alas, even if a > > little water is consumed (what explains depollution), the engine > > functions only thanks to the gasoline fumes that the bullor extracted the > > mixture. When there is no more enough of gasoline, it is the dry > > breakdown�! > > > > In January 2001 the French farmer Antoine Gillier (presented on the > > Quanthomme site) with the idea to simply replace by water the water-fuel > > mixture of the bullor; the outgoing vapor of the engine is aspired by the > > admission of the engine in addition to the normal fuel coming from the > > carburettor or the injectors. Paul Pantone is skeptic. But it goes: > > increase in the power, saving in fuel and especially depollution of the > > engine without expensive particle filter! Water the injection, as old as > > the spark-ignition engine, becomes �vapor aspiration here�. > > > > In October 2001, Christophe Martz does his work of end of study on the > > Pantone system and obtains his diploma for the occupation of mechanical > > engineer ENSAIS (the ENSAIS became INSA Strasbourg in 2003). This work > > relates to the 100% (thus not Gillier-Pantone) and is completely > > downloadable on this page:http://www.econologie.com/rapport-d-ingenieur- > > ensais-sur-le-moteur-pantone-articles-93.html > > > > In 2003, the same Christophe Martz created the Econologie.com site in > > order to synthesize research around the system and whose forums become at > > the end of 2004 place of �official� exchange. Thanks to these forums, > > Michel Lathuraz and Julien Rochereau (see Ci below) could present and > > improve their work. > > > > In 2006, Michel Lathuraz puts on his site the plans of a steam generator > > (Steam Generator) plac� in the exhaust, simpler and more effective than > > the bullor. > > > > At the end of 2006, Julien Rochereau worked out the theory of the > > ionization of the steam, the most plausible explanation of the > > performances brought by system GP. > > > > Gillier-Pantone is built according to precise parameters. It more or less > > well was copied and marketed under the name of �Spad�, �Vulcano�, etc� > > > > The manufacturer car are unaware of this technique superbly. Too much > > simple? Not lucrative enough? Will it be necessary that the Chinese take > > the initiative? The future will say it to us. > > That's what I suspect is eventually going to happen. Thanks to > conceited > fanatic negationist idiots like Eyesore. > > Just like him, his too numerous peers in the industry simply shut > their eyes tight at the least ripple on orthodoxy while screaming > at the top of their keyboards that all progress is bullshit. If it was THAT good then why isn't the info available in the 'world language' of English ? I smell a rat. Graham
From: News on 23 Jun 2008 07:06 "danny burstein" <dannyb(a)panix.com> wrote in message news:g3atnj$l2j$1(a)reader2.panix.com... > In <4858BE93.FFB5E20A(a)hotmail.com> Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > >>janpajak(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>> Such a car weas build by two young hobbyists from New Zealand. It was >>> shown in television. The television crew subjected it to a simple test >>> to determine the saving on fuel that it accomplishes. It burns only >>> around 5 liters per 100 kilometers (plus around 1 liter of water), >>> while the car of an identical model, and year, burned on exactly the >>> same road and with exactly the same speeds over 20 liters per 100 >>> kilometers. > >>But VW have already made a 3 litre / 100km car. > > And some of us have cars which get a _real world_ > figure of 60 to 65 miles/gallon on real highways. > > That equates to 3.9 to 3.6 liters/100 km, for > a car that works, today, with a near decade > track record. If this hydrogen burning car is true, it can be retro-fitted to all cars and they get more than what you get. Fit it to your efficient car and maybe even better again.
From: News on 23 Jun 2008 07:14 <janpajak(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:518b2116-05e8-4ea5-926f-142aa9701f07(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... On Jun 19, 12:44 am, BobG <bobgard...(a)aol.com> wrote: > Assuming the dissociator is working, why throw out the O2? Seems like > that would make the mixture burn hotter, there more more compression, > therefore more spark advance before tdc (retard?) there for more > efficiency, therefor more miles per gallon? Call the newscrew back. > They might get to .5 liter per kilometer. .... The adding of just hydrogen to the petrol-air mixture is safe. Means it does NOT endanger the car with uncontrolled fire due to pure oxygen supply. Therefore such a technical solution is easy to make and safe. It also can be completed by just two young hobbyists. <<<< Having a cogen (CHP) generator in the back garden, tapping off the heat for heating and DHW is clearly viable if this is all true. Then no high home energy bills. These then could be produced en-mass with reversible meters and they could feed the grid requiring no more power stations. They could be CHP Stirling units in nice boiler looking cases on walls in houses.
From: News on 23 Jun 2008 07:26
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ac9feb3a-a36a-494c-9392-e91568208353(a)v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... >> A gasoline ICE is about 30% efficient, > > A new perfectly tuned gas engine. Running at a constant speed in the most efficient conditions. 20% is about right for overall use. |