Car on water which instead of over 20 l/100km burns only aroun 5 liters per 100 kilometers
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From: zzbunker on 25 Jun 2008 05:11 On Jun 23, 7:03 am, "News" <killef...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > "Jeßus" <n...(a)all.org> wrote in messagenews:4858b5c5(a)news.x-privat.org.... > > Sylvia Else wrote: > >> janpa...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>> Such a car weas build by two young hobbyists from New Zealand. It was > >>> shown in television. The television crew subjected it to a simple test > >>> to determine the saving on fuel that it accomplishes. It burns only > >>> around 5 liters per 100 kilometers (plus around 1 liter of water), > >>> while the car of an identical model, and year, burned on exactly the > >>> same road and with exactly the same speeds over 20 liters per 100 > >>> kilometers. > > >> Seems hardly credible. Cars are not that inefficient. > > > Yeah... about a whopping 20% 'efficient'. > > I think your search engine research doctorate in everything has failed you > > this time. > > Burning hydrogen it is still 20% efficient. If true, the savings are in > generating the hydrogen via benzine rather than burning benzene directly. The best thing about burning hydrogen, is that you can burn steel with it. Since the biggest problem with the GM I.C.E wanks is that the only thing the idiots know efficiency is people who run Exxon, rather than efficiency. And the only thing Exxon knows about effiency is people who run G.E. rather than efficiency. And the only thing G.E. knows about efficiency is people who run steel mills, rather than efficiency. > > The internal combustion engine is an inefficient dog.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Spaceman on 25 Jun 2008 10:06 Sylvia Else wrote: > The expected temperature rise is 23 degrees. Water is a poor conductor > of heat (which is why storage hot water systems work), so unless the > water was mixed before the temperature was measured, the result would > not be representative of the temperature of water as a whole. Yes, It's like taking a blow torch to the ocean and measuring the local (close to the blowtorch) water only. :)
From: News on 25 Jun 2008 10:08 "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:48624ccf$0$1026$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>> Got it: >>> http://totalizm.nazwa.pl/boiler.htm >>> >>> It says: >>> "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of water. The >>> heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 minutes to over 60 >>> degrees Celsius, consuming 11 Amperes of 220 Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity >>> (i.e. 2600 watts in total). The water created a deposit of limestone. >>> The home circuit breaker was set at 10 Amperes. The current was measured >>> by the multimeter professional PR3051 (20A AC). " >>> >>> What was the temperature rise? From 10C to 60C? Knowing the tempertaure >>> rise, it is then easy to calculate its efficiency and see if it does >>> what it claims. And then compare that to a current gas or electric >>> heater. If it does work and is over unity then it can only be made >>> more efficient. >> >> But glancing those figures it doesn't look too impressive - yet. > > "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of water. The > heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 minutes to over 60 > degrees Celsius," > > Indeed, from what temperature? > > "consuming 11 Amperes of 220 Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity (i.e. 2600 watts > in total)." > > 11 Amps at 220 volts is not 2600 watts, but 2420 watts. If he cannot get > this calculation right, how sure are we about his ability to read a > thermometer? > > "The water created a deposit of limestone." > > Really? Why would it do that - it wasn't being boiled. Limescale can be deposited without boiling. That is not an issue. If one of these is heating a sealed thermals storage system limescale is not a problem. > The expected temperature rise is 23 degrees. Water is a poor conductor of > heat (which is why storage hot water systems work), so unless the water > was mixed before the temperature was measured, the result would not be > representative of the temperature of water as a whole. > > Overall the incorrect calculation of the power, the failure to mention the > starting temperature or the issue relating to measuring the end > temperature makes me doubt this person's competence to perform the > experiment, even if he's being honest about the results. > > Sylvia. Enough info is there. Put it at 2.5 kW to sound up. Calculate temp rise from 10C to 60C, 15C to 60C and room temp 20C to 60C and that will give some figures. As he says, aluminium is not the ideal metal to use, stainless steel is. It think there is enough evidence to say it works - enough from NZ anyhow. But is it feasible? Sonic boilers are not new. James Griggs invnetd the hydrosonic pump. http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm You can buy one. Many claim it is an over unity device.
From: News on 25 Jun 2008 11:16 "News" <killefitz(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:g3tjgq$n1v$1(a)registered.motzarella.org... > > "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message > news:48624ccf$0$1026$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > >>>> Got it: >>>> http://totalizm.nazwa.pl/boiler.htm >>>> >>>> It says: >>>> "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of water. The >>>> heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 minutes to over 60 >>>> degrees Celsius, consuming 11 Amperes of 220 Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity >>>> (i.e. 2600 watts in total). The water created a deposit of limestone. >>>> The home circuit breaker was set at 10 Amperes. The current was >>>> measured by the multimeter professional PR3051 (20A AC). " >>>> >>>> What was the temperature rise? From 10C to 60C? Knowing the >>>> tempertaure rise, it is then easy to calculate its efficiency and see >>>> if it does what it claims. And then compare that to a current gas or >>>> electric heater. If it does work and is over unity then it can only >>>> be made more efficient. >>> >>> But glancing those figures it doesn't look too impressive - yet. >> >> "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of water. The >> heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 minutes to over 60 >> degrees Celsius," >> >> Indeed, from what temperature? >> >> "consuming 11 Amperes of 220 Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity (i.e. 2600 watts >> in total)." >> >> 11 Amps at 220 volts is not 2600 watts, but 2420 watts. If he cannot get >> this calculation right, how sure are we about his ability to read a >> thermometer? >> >> "The water created a deposit of limestone." >> >> Really? Why would it do that - it wasn't being boiled. > > Limescale can be deposited without boiling. That is not an issue. If one > of these is heating a sealed thermals storage system limescale is not a > problem. > >> The expected temperature rise is 23 degrees. Water is a poor conductor of >> heat (which is why storage hot water systems work), so unless the water >> was mixed before the temperature was measured, the result would not be >> representative of the temperature of water as a whole. >> >> Overall the incorrect calculation of the power, the failure to mention >> the starting temperature or the issue relating to measuring the end >> temperature makes me doubt this person's competence to perform the >> experiment, even if he's being honest about the results. >> >> Sylvia. > > Enough info is there. Put it at 2.5 kW to sound up. Calculate temp rise > from 10C to 60C, 15C to 60C and room temp 20C to 60C and that will give > some figures. As he says, aluminium is not the ideal metal to use, > stainless steel is. > > It think there is enough evidence to say it works - enough from NZ anyhow. > But is it feasible? > > Sonic boilers are not new. James Griggs invented the hydrosonic pump. > http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm > > You can buy one. Many claim it is an over unity device. The company: http://www.hydrodynamics.com/product_pics.htm http://www.hydrodynamics.com/technology_review.htm They are also on sale in Moldavia - where they were developed entirely separately from Griggs.
From: daestrom on 25 Jun 2008 17:20
News wrote: > "News" <killefitz(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:g3tjgq$n1v$1(a)registered.motzarella.org... >> >> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote in message >> news:48624ccf$0$1026$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >> >>>>> Got it: >>>>> http://totalizm.nazwa.pl/boiler.htm >>>>> >>>>> It says: >>>>> "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of >>>>> water. The heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 >>>>> minutes to over 60 degrees Celsius, consuming 11 Amperes of 220 >>>>> Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity (i.e. 2600 watts in total). The water >>>>> created a deposit of limestone. The home circuit breaker was set >>>>> at 10 Amperes. The current was measured by the multimeter >>>>> professional PR3051 (20A AC). " What was the temperature rise? From >>>>> 10C to 60C? Knowing the >>>>> tempertaure rise, it is then easy to calculate its efficiency and >>>>> see if it does what it claims. And then compare that to a current >>>>> gas or electric heater. If it does work and is over unity then >>>>> it can only be made more efficient. >>>> >>>> But glancing those figures it doesn't look too impressive - yet. >>> >>> "The initial testing of the heater was done on 15 litres of water. >>> The heater increased the temperature of this water in 10 minutes to >>> over 60 degrees Celsius," >>> >>> Indeed, from what temperature? >>> >>> "consuming 11 Amperes of 220 Volt, 50 Hz AC electricity (i.e. 2600 >>> watts in total)." >>> >>> 11 Amps at 220 volts is not 2600 watts, but 2420 watts. If he >>> cannot get this calculation right, how sure are we about his >>> ability to read a thermometer? >>> >>> "The water created a deposit of limestone." >>> >>> Really? Why would it do that - it wasn't being boiled. >> >> Limescale can be deposited without boiling. That is not an issue. If >> one of these is heating a sealed thermals storage system limescale >> is not a problem. >> >>> The expected temperature rise is 23 degrees. Water is a poor >>> conductor of heat (which is why storage hot water systems work), so >>> unless the water was mixed before the temperature was measured, the >>> result would not be representative of the temperature of water as a >>> whole. Overall the incorrect calculation of the power, the failure to >>> mention the starting temperature or the issue relating to measuring >>> the end temperature makes me doubt this person's competence to >>> perform the experiment, even if he's being honest about the results. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> Enough info is there. Put it at 2.5 kW to sound up. Calculate temp >> rise from 10C to 60C, 15C to 60C and room temp 20C to 60C and that >> will give some figures. As he says, aluminium is not the ideal >> metal to use, stainless steel is. >> >> It think there is enough evidence to say it works - enough from NZ >> anyhow. But is it feasible? >> >> Sonic boilers are not new. James Griggs invented the hydrosonic pump. >> http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm >> >> You can buy one. Many claim it is an over unity device. > > The company: > http://www.hydrodynamics.com/product_pics.htm > http://www.hydrodynamics.com/technology_review.htm > > They are also on sale in Moldavia - where they were developed entirely > separately from Griggs. But you'll notice these folks do *not* claim any overunity nonsense. They explain that 'shockwave' heating is a way of heating water without using a high temperature surface to get the heat into the water. So it has some advantages in certain applications (no cold spots, no fouling or scaling of surfaces if the water has a lot of contaminants). daestrom |