From: Eeyore on 18 Jun 2008 17:52
> Eeyore wrote:
> > srp2...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > > Well, I don't really have an opinion on this.
> > Hardly surprising since it probably went about 5 miles over your head.
> > > I am not interpreting what is happening one way or other.
> > You don't have the ability to.
> Seems to me you are looking right into your mirror. If you turn
> back 180 deg, you will see that your screen reads again
> from left to right.
You are so utterly dense and devoid of even the mildest degree of
intelligence that I frankly hope you keel over and die very soon.
The return of your remains to the soil would be of far greater benefit to
mankind than your inane/insane ramblings.
I hope your death comes soon for the health of the planet.
Sincerely yours, Graham
From: janpajak on 19 Jun 2008 00:00
On Jun 19, 12:44 am, BobG <bobgard...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Assuming the dissociator is working, why throw out the O2? Seems like
> that would make the mixture burn hotter, there more more compression,
> therefore more spark advance before tdc (retard?) there for more
> efficiency, therefor more miles per gallon? Call the newscrew back.
> They might get to .5 liter per kilometer.
The adding of just hydrogen to the petrol-air mixture is safe. Means
it does NOT endanger the car with uncontrolled fire due to pure oxygen
supply. Therefore such a technical solution is easy to make and safe.
It also can be completed by just two young hobbyists. In turn adding
oxygen requires extraordinary safety procautions which lie beond
capabilities of individual hobbyists. Even teams of experts, like
these from NASA, sometimes get it wrong - hence every now and again we
have space-shutle catastrophes. Anyway, your is a good comment and
thus thank you for rising this matter.
I am again shocked by the amount of negativity which appears in
comments of some "masked" individuals who seem to attack repetititvely
this thread. I am almost tempted to ask these negative individuals
whether they are "paid by oil companies" to discourage any
improvements on cars, and thus also on demand for oil. However, I do
NOT ask this because I know that the oil companies do NOT care about
such things, as they are monpolists at the moment. So the only other
reason for this negativity can be the "turning internet into a gutter"
about which I wrote on the thread
. So all of you, "professional dirt throwers" plase stop. There is no
scam in this thread and there is no motivation for a scam. In the
television programme that I saw, contact details were NOT provided.
Also no-one is selling the design these hobbyists are using. I would
like to contact them to find out more about their design, but I am
unable because there is no contact address available.
In turn when "1 liter/100km car" is concerned, perhaps it exists
somewhere in a big world. But most of us have "20 l/100km cars". And
the reality is that we need designs like the one used by these two
young hobbyists to turn these our monsters into reasonably inexpensive
With the totaliztic salute,
From: Alba Rocstas on 19 Jun 2008 03:14
On Jun 18, 5:37 am, janpa...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Such a car weas build by two young hobbyists from New Zealand. It was
> shown in television. The television crew subjected it to a simple test
> to determine the saving on fuel that it accomplishes. It burns only
> around 5 liters per 100 kilometers (plus around 1 liter of water),
> while the car of an identical model, and year, burned on exactly the
> same road and with exactly the same speeds over 20 liters per 100
> About this kind of "cars on water" I remember to read theoretically
> alteady in 1997 during my professorship in Borneo. But I never had an
> opportunity to see how they compare to factory models. So with a great
> interest I looked on Friday, 13 June 2008 at 7:00 pm to 7:30 pm on the
> channel 3 of television New Zealand the program called "Campbell Live"
> which was just about one such car constructed by two young New
> Zealanders in their 20s. In this programme was also explained what the
> design and operation of such a "car on water" was about. I described
> this design and operation on my web page "free_energy.htm" (updated on
> 15 June or later) the address of which can be find if in thewww.google.com
> someone types the key words "Jan Pajak free_energy.htm" but without
> quotes. In the program this "car on water was also subjected to an
> experiment. Namely it was taken for a ride together with another
> identical car of the same year and model, only that still in the
> factory condition (it was probably "Ford Falcon"). Both cars drove the
> same path with the same speed. After they went through 100 kilometers,
> the fuel consumption was measured ion both of them by the TV crew. It
> turned out that the "car on water" burned around 5 liters of petrol,
> while the factory version of the same car burned over 20 liters (both
> after 100 km on the road). So the saving on fuel amounted to 75% (or
> three quorters) the the original (factory) fuel consumption.
> The mopdification of these two boys was extremely simple. They just
> added to an old car that they had a small "dissociator of water" which
> they build themselves. This dissociator consumed energy from the
> dynamo and dissociated water into hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen was
> let out, while the hydrogen was added to the air at the car's
> carburattor. So this hydrogen, after entering the cylinder mixed with
> the air, burned in the cylinder with the fuel and thus increased the
> temperature of the burning. This raise in the temperature of burning
> in turn caused the better burning of the fuel, and also the lack of
> smoke in the exhaustions. So the burning become much more efficient.
> The final effect was that the car consumed 75% less petrol. So the
> entire saving on fuel results from this increased temperature in the
> cylinder. The changes themselves were technically very simple, so that
> even these two boys could complete them successfully.
> Because in this program there were no details of the car, I looked in
> internet at web pages of the "Campbell LIfe" to find these details.
> This particular program has 2 web pages, namelywww.3news.co.nzandwww.tv3.co.nz. But I could NOT find anything in there about thye car.
> Therefore I described everything that I remembered from this program
> on my web page. Interested readers can find it at the addresses of my
> web page "free_energy.htm" update on 15 June or later. (This web page
> needs to be seeked viawww.google.comas there is a lot of such web
> pages - not all of these are updated on 15 July 2008. To find these
> one needs to type key words listed before.)
> So it seems that it is worth to experiemnt with cars, as such simple
> change as the "car on water" may save some of us even around $ 100 per
> With the totaliztic salute,
> Jan Pajak
Hi all you head in the sands ,
cannot believe how you are quick to spit at someone how was just
trying to give info he found and thought it was worth letting you all
know , before you make your self look silly have you spitters tried
it or is your brain programed to only listen to the multi corrupt and
your fat arses are stuck to your seats , never knock what you have not
tried as you have no knowledge to give , but if it is true you would
all want it probably for free as long as someone else does the work ,
well I'm going to experement with this myself ,
Jan do not take the spitters to heart as they sound like the sort of
people how think there offroading when they park on a grass verge and
call the garage if it gets splashed with mud ,
Well said my bit here in wet Scotland ,
yours Callum , The Used Rocsta Centre , Moffat , Scotland
From: janpajak on 19 Jun 2008 23:36
On Jun 19, 7:14 pm, Alba Rocstas <amberlawnmof...(a)tesco.net> wrote:
> Hi all you head in the sands ,
> cannot believe how you are quick to spit at someone how was just
> trying to give info he found and thought it was worth letting you all
> know , before you make your self look silly have you spitters tried
> it or is your brain programed to only listen to the multi corrupt and
> your fat arses are stuck to your seats , never knock what you have not
> tried as you have no knowledge to give , but if it is true you would
> all want it probably for free as long as someone else does the work ,
> well I'm going to experement with this myself ,
> Jan do not take the spitters to heart as they sound like the sort of
> people how think there offroading when they park on a grass verge and
> call the garage if it gets splashed with mud ,
> Well said my bit here in wet Scotland ,
Callum, thanks for the moral support. I also believe that these
spitters and mud throwers act as you described - just try to show how
high IQ they have by tramping on everything that is good around them.
I am intensely trying to find these two young hobbyists, although it
is NOT easy - they simply did the improvement for themselves and never
seeked the fame or earnmings from what they accomplished. If I manage
to find them, I will try do get from them the desaign for their
modification of the car, and then I will publish this their design on
my web page "free_energy.htm" - so that everyone can benefit from it
for free. So if you intend to do this improvement, please look at my
web page "free_energy.htm" from time to time. You can find this web
page through typing in www.google.com the key words "Jan Pajak
free_energy.htm", but without quotes. When looking at this web page
please check whether it is the newest update (i.e. at least update on
18 June 2008, or later), as there are numerous such web pages
available in Internet and I am not able to update all of them at the
With the totaliztic salute,
From: Eeyore on 20 Jun 2008 05:42
> On Jun 19, 7:14 pm, Alba Rocstas <amberlawnmof...(a)tesco.net> wrote:
> > Hi all you head in the sands ,
> > cannot believe how you are quick to spit at someone how was just
> > trying to give info he found and thought it was worth letting you all
> > know , before you make your self look silly have you spitters tried
> > it or is your brain programed to only listen to the multi corrupt and
> > your fat arses are stuck to your seats , never knock what you have not
> > tried as you have no knowledge to give , but if it is true you would
> > all want it probably for free as long as someone else does the work ,
> > well I'm going to experement with this myself ,
> > Jan do not take the spitters to heart as they sound like the sort of
> > people how think there offroading when they park on a grass verge and
> > call the garage if it gets splashed with mud ,
> > Well said my bit here in wet Scotland ,
> Callum, thanks for the moral support. I also believe that these
> spitters and mud throwers act as you described - just try to show how
> high IQ they have by tramping on everything that is good around them.
20% saving is what he claims on *an old wreck* of a car.