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From: Marts on 28 Jun 2010 08:23 D Walford wrote... > We have had a similar rule here for many years but its purpose is to > stop people parking cars for sale in prominent positions( often > illegally parked) all over town making the place look like a car yard. "here" is Victoria? If so, yes, this is the intent. But where I live coming into town there's a spot that have cars parked all the time with "For Sale" signs in the back window. Coppers never seem to do anything about it. And I'm not sure if the local council officers can either, as it's on the Princes Highway, which isn't local government controled, as far as I'm aware. Sounds like a fair enough law, though. But surely, if you sell the car via carsales and have one of its stick on signs in the back window, that should suffice, shouldn't it?
From: D Walford on 29 Jun 2010 02:04 On 28/06/2010 10:23 PM, Marts wrote: > D Walford wrote... > >> We have had a similar rule here for many years but its purpose is to >> stop people parking cars for sale in prominent positions( often >> illegally parked) all over town making the place look like a car yard. > > "here" is Victoria? AFAIK it was a council by law and not a State law but most councils have adopted it by now. If so, yes, this is the intent. But where I live coming into > town there's a spot that have cars parked all the time with "For Sale" signs in > the back window. > > Coppers never seem to do anything about it. And I'm not sure if the local > council officers can either, as it's on the Princes Highway, which isn't local > government controled, as far as I'm aware. > > Sounds like a fair enough law, though. But surely, if you sell the car via > carsales and have one of its stick on signs in the back window, that should > suffice, shouldn't it? That's all I've ever done. Daryl
From: Sylvia Else on 4 Jul 2010 09:31 On 28/06/2010 8:58 AM, D Walford wrote: > On 28/06/2010 1:29 AM, Kev wrote: >> Seems the Moreton Regional Council had enacted by laws prohibiting >> anyone from placing a "For Sale" sign on their car(or caravan/trailer or >> even a boat). Even in their own yard, this law was passed back in 2007 >> > My interpretation of the rule you posted doesn't prohibit a sign when > the vehicle is on private property and I doubt that the law is intended > to stop that. That seems correct to me, given the workding of the by law quoted by F Murtz. Private land is not "under the control of the local government." Local governments have certain powers in respect of private land, but do not control it - the owner does. Sylvia.
From: Sylvia Else on 5 Jul 2010 09:17 On 5/07/2010 10:17 PM, Kev wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 28/06/2010 8:58 AM, D Walford wrote: >>> On 28/06/2010 1:29 AM, Kev wrote: >>>> Seems the Moreton Regional Council had enacted by laws prohibiting >>>> anyone from placing a "For Sale" sign on their car(or >>>> caravan/trailer or >>>> even a boat). Even in their own yard, this law was passed back in 2007 >>>> >>> My interpretation of the rule you posted doesn't prohibit a sign when >>> the vehicle is on private property and I doubt that the law is intended >>> to stop that. >> >> That seems correct to me, given the workding of the by law quoted by F >> Murtz. >> >> Private land is not "under the control of the local government." Local >> governments have certain powers in respect of private land, but do not >> control it - the owner does. >> >> Sylvia. > > > well I WAS trying to get a sensible answer from Council Staff > and of course each one has a different conflicting answer Of course. That's why I am always reluctant to ask officials such questions - the answers are only useful if you can trust them, and you can't. See http://law.anu.edu.au/UnitUploads/LAWS8201-1772-Gullet%202%20EPLJ.pdf for a description of a case that establishes that a government department can give you information that is misleading, or indeed just plain wrong, and then prosecute you for breaking the law as a result. Sylvia.
From: Toby on 6 Jul 2010 08:34
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:17:19 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 5/07/2010 10:17 PM, Kev wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 28/06/2010 8:58 AM, D Walford wrote: >>>> On 28/06/2010 1:29 AM, Kev wrote: >>>>> Seems the Moreton Regional Council had enacted by laws prohibiting >>>>> anyone from placing a "For Sale" sign on their car(or >>>>> caravan/trailer or >>>>> even a boat). Even in their own yard, this law was passed back in 2007 >>>>> >>>> My interpretation of the rule you posted doesn't prohibit a sign when >>>> the vehicle is on private property and I doubt that the law is intended >>>> to stop that. >>> >>> That seems correct to me, given the workding of the by law quoted by F >>> Murtz. >>> >>> Private land is not "under the control of the local government." Local >>> governments have certain powers in respect of private land, but do not >>> control it - the owner does. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> >> well I WAS trying to get a sensible answer from Council Staff >> and of course each one has a different conflicting answer > > Of course. That's why I am always reluctant to ask officials such > questions - the answers are only useful if you can trust them, and you > can't. > > See > > http://law.anu.edu.au/UnitUploads/LAWS8201-1772-Gullet%202%20EPLJ.pdf > > for a description of a case that establishes that a government > department can give you information that is misleading, or indeed just > plain wrong, and then prosecute you for breaking the law as a result. > > Sylvia. Add in - it's an established principle that GovCo jerks are allowed to lie to "protect the revenue" Needless to say (but I will) it's far too small a step away from telling lies to *generate* revenue. -- Toby Formerly we suffered from crimes; now we suffer from laws. Tacitus |