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From: Chicago Paddling-Fishing on 8 Jan 2008 16:34
In chi.general Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
: In article <slrnfo7n50.iqr.glg(a)ftupet.ftupet.com>, Geoff Gass wrote:
: > clifto <clifto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
: >> Especially in the cases where people had a reasonable expectation that
: >> the Authority would renew their passes using an auto-pay method that
: >> was prenegotiated by both parties, the Authority and only the Authority
: >> is to blame. I'd personally swear out arrest warrants for everyone
: >> involved up to the head of the Authority, for fraud and conspiracy to
: >> fraud and for anything else I could find that applied, and I'd be in
: >> civil court for breach of contract.
: >
: > They never got into *why* the replenish failed. Since they didn't, I'm
: > guessing it was the woman's fault. Probably something stupid like
: > didn't update CC expiration date. Of course, the fact that it went for
: > so long undetected due to no notices being sent is another matter.

: Which is the point. If the toll authority said, your card info is bad,
: pay the back tolls and this $10-30 'stupid' fee, it wouldn't be a news
: story. It's a news story because they didn't do anything for several
: months and said pay this $30 per toll penalty as if you were criminally*
: (intentionally) avoiding paying.

: *it technically may not be to streamline the system, but penalty wise
: there is no functional difference, especially with DL suspension etc.

something I read somewhere said most were avoiding DL suspension because the
penalty was harsher for in state vs out of state residents so the courts
were refusing to uphold the penalty...

Course, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for the tollway to warn you
if they get to rack up and keep the fines... in my case, the fines would have
been significant and I'm guessing it was because we already had the temp plate
registered with the car model that we were let off without being fined (I had
forgotten to update the new plate # when the real plate came)...

: That said, when my card neared expiring the toll road authority sent an
: email and a letter...

Yes, I thought they sent out emails to everyone at one point last year about
updating their credit card account info.

At some point I would wonder if I never saw any charges from the tollway on
my bill and I drove the tollway daily... but in other cases, where it might
only be family members who use it, I can see where some misunderstandings
might arise... course, I agree that a set fee plus the tolls due is much
more appropriate than trying to insert a $25 fee for each and every missed
toll...

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From: Cydrome Leader on 9 Jan 2008 11:36
In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn(a)ripco.com> wrote:
> In chi.general Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : or it could cost you thousands....
>
> : http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=106951&src=3
>
> : <...>
>
> : Pay up in two weeks, the papers say, or owe the tollway $15,739 and
> : eventually lose your driver's license.
>
> : Boudreau says she didn't know her I-PASS ran out of money last year
> : because she thought her credit card automatically refilled it.
>
> : That doesn't matter to tollway officials. She is just one of hundreds of
> : thousands of drivers who did not get violation notices for more than a
> : year because of a computer glitch.
>
> Well, we got a bill but it worked out ok. When trading in the vw, we got new
> plates on the new car, we updated the tollway website with the temp plate but
> forgot to update it with the real plate when it arrived. I don't check our
> account all that often and I don't know where the kids go with the ipass, I
> just expect it back on top of the fridge at the end of the night...
>
> $15 in vtolls was about $460 with fines added... after calling them when we
> received the notice they eliminated the fines and just billed my ipass account
> for the tolls in November... it appears the ipass doesn't work on the dash in
> that car (works fine in the Ford) so we asked them to mail us velcro.
>
> I don't know if they verified with the SOS that the temp plate number we had
> in our account matched the passenger plate that racked up the violations or
> if they just took our word for it. It was pretty painless I thought.
>
> That said, i'm not sure why the state feels compelled to bankrupt people over
> it. I can see that they want to make it so people will think twice, but one
> would expect that the state, especially since the fines for some are so high
> because of the states failure to send out notices, that they would show a bit
> of compassion since they are at least partially responsible for the size of
> the fines...
>

what people need is a badass attorney to create some giant lawsuit.
From: Chicago Paddling-Fishing on 12 Jan 2008 02:23
In chi.general Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:27:12 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Gass <glg(a)tanzenmb.com>
: wrote:

: >clifto <clifto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
: >> Especially in the cases where people had a reasonable expectation that
: >> the Authority would renew their passes using an auto-pay method that
: >> was prenegotiated by both parties, the Authority and only the Authority
: >> is to blame. I'd personally swear out arrest warrants for everyone
: >> involved up to the head of the Authority, for fraud and conspiracy to
: >> fraud and for anything else I could find that applied, and I'd be in
: >> civil court for breach of contract.
: >
: >They never got into *why* the replenish failed. Since they didn't, I'm
: >guessing it was the woman's fault.

: On the contrary - the article specifically mentions a "glitch" in the
: billing software which resulted in NO statements being sent out for an
: entire year. Based on that track record, my bet is that any other
<snip>

Well, I don't believe they send out statements at all? I might get an email
occasionally, but that's about it...

Hey Scott, without reading the words on the page, can you guess the car by
the exhaust sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRxXVqEBT_A

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