From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:37:47 +0100, "mileburner"
<mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>Some people don't realise they have a choice over what they do!

many do not and those that do do not regard not driving as important
in that choice.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:32:40 +0100, JNugent
<JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:

>Unless someone offered her a lift, she hardly ever moved much beyond a radius
>of a couple of miles from her home (which was admittedly only a mile or so
>from the centre of a large city).
>
>We experienced the same thing as children. It was normal.

anf now we have the freedom to travel and some people think we should
cycle instead.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Sat, 22 May 2010 11:38:47 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan
<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>>Ikea said "Oh. Well, in that case..." and abandoned plans to build a
>>store in Sheffield at all. So people from Sheffield have to go to
>>Nottingham or Leeds if they want to visit Ikea.
>
>so should we let business build wherever they like?

(i think in the case of Ikea, or a DIY shed or similar, city centre is
not good as you cannot carry bulky stuff home on a pushbike or bus.
Sheffield got that one wrong, but the guiding principal was not "mad",
they were thinking that if the shops are in the centre, people can go
there by PT, as PT only works as a set of radial arms from a hub, the
minute you need to travel from one radial to another, car is quicker,
even in London).
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: mileburner on

"ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:37:47 +0100, "mileburner"
> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>Some people don't realise they have a choice over what they do!
>
> many do not and those that do do not regard not driving as important
> in that choice.

My point being there *is* always a choice, (even for those who seriously
think that they have no choice). How they make their choice is up to them.
Whether to drive or not may not be an important factor and some people enjoy
driving anyway. But there is always a choice. I choose not to depend on
driving because it bores me witless, but even when I do choose to drive
(even though I don't actually want to) I don't delude myself in thinking
that I had no choice. There is always a choice.


From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:24:38 +0100, "mileburner"
<mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>> many do not and those that do do not regard not driving as important
>> in that choice.
>
>My point being there *is* always a choice, (even for those who seriously
>think that they have no choice). How they make their choice is up to them.
>Whether to drive or not may not be an important factor and some people enjoy
>driving anyway. But there is always a choice. I choose not to depend on
>driving because it bores me witless,

Yes, I had a long running argument with someone else who disliked
driving and built it into a religion, if you don't like driving don't
do it and leave it at that?

>but even when I do choose to drive
>(even though I don't actually want to) I don't delude myself in thinking
>that I had no choice. There is always a choice.

but as has been said, when people say "I have to drive" they almost
never mean what you say above. It is shorthand for "to live this
lifestyle I need to drive", almost everybody understands this.

Very few people consider not driving as a priority in choosing home
and job and would not give up free choice of either in order not to
drive. They are well aware they could switch to a totally different
lifestyle but that is outside of the unspoken parameters of the
statement "I need to drive".
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.