From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner"
<mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One of
>them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will think
>I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this
>illustrates the type of person I mean.

which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its
convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with
no PT etc etc.
Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was
zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise
empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather
pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers
and all other points of view.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Dave Plowman on
In article <segav5hv40fheja1rl8vg92h3690uqd9np(a)4ax.com>,
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 14:47:32 +0100, Dave Plowman
> <dave(a)davesound.co.uk> wrote:

> >> ...though only because they are an improvement on the corner shop
> >> (something a true believer absolutely *will not* hear).
> >
> >I have a decent size Waitrose and Sainsbury within walking distance -
> >both on the high street. There's no real reason they have to be 'out of
> >town'.

> not out of town, but not in walking distance. Think about how many
> customers each needs to be profitable and its obvious they have to be
> a fair way apart. This means the typical way to use them is to drive
> and buy a bootload of stuff in one go. Our walkable local high street
> has neither and is set to have less and less due to the creation of
> Bluewater shopping mall, which is "out of town".

There you have it. Build an out of town shopping paradise so people drive
to it and the high street closes. Then when petrol etc becomes so
expensive there's no option - and it's rarely an option for the elderly or
those who don't have a car. It's basically a recipe for disaster.

--
*For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism *

Dave Plowman dave(a)davesound.co.uk London SW 12

From: JNugent on
Dave Plowman wrote:
> In article
> <f6330e95-57eb-4a3b-a0bd-725c3101042d(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> The answer to Labour's hatred of motorists is quite simple. Railways,
>> buses and other form of public transport are highly unionised and the
>> trade unions are their major source of income.
>
> That'll be why they spent so much public money trying to keep BL running...

That was 35 years ago.

Under Wilson and Callaghan, Labour hadn't quite descended to the depths of
sociopathy they developed under Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown (with
Livingstone and Harman hovering in the background).

Perhaps I'm being unfair on Smith. You never know, he might not have been as
high-handed as the others.
From: Brimstone on


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>> "Nkosi (ama-ecosse)" <minankosi(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On 20 May, 13:02, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> Derek C wrote:
>>>> > On 20 May, 07:00, Guy Cuthbertson <gu...(a)nothing.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> snip not pertinent to the reply
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those educated will often look at their travel choices and make to most
>>>> sensible option. Those who think that their only option is to drive are
>>>> often from the lower end of the socio-economic scale.
>>>
>>> That is an answer from a real fuckwit since the majority of the cars I
>>> see on the road seem to cost in excess of 20 000 to buy never mind
>>> run.
>>>
>> I think by using "lower end of the socio-economic scale", "mileburner"
>> was trying to be kind. I suspect he really meant "unthinking" which is
>> another way of saying "thick".
>
> You often see lots of expensive cars on council estates...
>
> But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One
> of them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will
> think I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope
> this illustrates the type of person I mean.
Indeed it does.


From: mileburner on

"ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner"
> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One
>>of
>>them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will
>>think
>>I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this
>>illustrates the type of person I mean.
>
> which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its
> convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with
> no PT etc etc.

Like I said, those educated will often look at their travel choices and make
to most
sensible option.

> Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was
> zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise
> empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather
> pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers
> and all other points of view.

Ah yes good old self-deception...

"I *have* to drive, there is no other way of getting there".

<swoon>