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From: Man at B&Q on 21 May 2010 03:46 On May 21, 12:26 am, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Dave Plowman wrote: > > In article <T9mdnbusdqsl8WjWnZ2dnUVZ7sadn...(a)pipex.net>, > > JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > >>> There you have it. Build an out of town shopping paradise so people > >>> drive to it and the high street closes. Then when petrol etc becomes > >>> so expensive there's no option - and it's rarely an option for the > >>> elderly or those who don't have a car. It's basically a recipe for > >>> disaster. > > >> Go on... what is your proffered and preferred alternative? > > > Having shops for basics like groceries close by. > > Oh, that would be better. For certain values of "close by", at any rate. > > How close is "close by"? > > And how often do you think people should go grocery shopping? My parents always managed. So did most of the rest pf the population with hardly an "out of town" shopping centre in existence. MBQ
From: Man at B&Q on 21 May 2010 03:48 On May 21, 8:18 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > > news:zvOdnbAnROkSWWjWnZ2dnUVZ8mGdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > > > > > Dave Plowman wrote: > > >> JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > > > [in response to:] > >>>> I have a decent size Waitrose and Sainsbury within walking distance - > >>>> both on the high street. There's no real reason they have to be 'out > >>>> of town'. > > >>> Yes, there is. > >>> They are more convenient, in more ways, to more people, on the edge of > >>> town than they are in the centre or in the inner suburbs. > > >> I'm sure it is if you love driving miles for groceries. > > >>> That's why they do it. > > >> They do it because the sites are cheaper and people are stupid. > > > People are stupid to appreciate convenience, speed, choice, low (compared > > to corner shops) prices, easy free parking and a general atmosphere of > > welcome, are they? > > What is convenient about having to drive miles to buy a few groceries? Nothing. You drive miles to buy *lots* of groceries, that's the whole point. Even better, use your brain and shop somewhere on the way home from somewhere else rather than making a special trip. MBQ
From: Derek C on 21 May 2010 03:59 On 20 May, 17:01, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner" > > <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One of > >them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will think > >I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this > >illustrates the type of person I mean. > > which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its > convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with > no PT etc etc. > Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was > zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise > empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather > pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers > and all other points of view. > -- I only use my car for the journeys I need to make, and at the times I need to make them. Apart from in the rush hour, large engined, multi-seater buses and trains trundle around the countryside all day with only about three old age pensioners with bus passes and a couple of school age children on board. Is that really so green? I do ride a bicycle, but only to keep fit and to enjoy the countryside. I might commute to work on it if the journey was less than about 5 miles and it's not pouring with rain. Unfortunately I have not had a job that close to my home for years. My last job was 16 miles away via two motorways, or 18 miles by the back roads. That took about about 25 minutes each way by car, two hours by a bus service that meanderers through every housing estate in the county, and I would guess about an hour and a half by bike, after which I would be too knackered to do much work. Derek C
From: Squashme on 21 May 2010 04:08 On 21 May, 08:59, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > On 20 May, 17:01, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner" > > > <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > >But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One of > > >them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will think > > >I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this > > >illustrates the type of person I mean. > > > which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its > > convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with > > no PT etc etc. > > Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was > > zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise > > empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather > > pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers > > and all other points of view. > > -- > > I only use my car for the journeys I need to make, and at the times I > need to make them. > > Apart from in the rush hour, large engined, multi-seater buses and > trains trundle around the countryside all day with only about three > old age pensioners with bus passes and a couple of school age children > on board. Is that really so green? > > I do ride a bicycle, but only to keep fit and to enjoy the > countryside. I might commute to work on it if the journey was less > than about 5 miles and it's not pouring with rain. Unfortunately I > have not had a job that close to my home for years. My last job was 16 > miles away via two motorways, or 18 miles by the back roads. That took > about about 25 minutes each way by car, two hours by a bus service > that meanderers through every housing estate in the county, and I > would guess about an hour and a half by bike, after which I would be > too knackered to do much work. > > Derek C Yes, of course, when our grandparents and grandparents were alive, very few of them ever managed to get to work. The distances were just too huge. Thank God we had an empire!
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 21 May 2010 04:18
On Fri, 21 May 2010 00:23:59 +0100, JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >People are stupid to appreciate convenience, speed, choice, low (compared to >corner shops) prices, easy free parking and a general atmosphere of welcome, >are they? Central London is a great place to shop, you go by train. Bluewater is souless, you have to worry about drink driving if you do more than shop. Sadly all our bigger shops have decamped to Bluewater so the local high streets are dying. Then when it comes to bank holidays and pre Christmas the motorways round the two places gridlock with shoppers. I understand the centres of many US cities have died due to the out of town mall. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |