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From: JNugent on 20 May 2010 14:08
Brimstone wrote:
>
>
> "ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lsmav5lnkuu45v6dm7qjn9kossf46cuu0g(a)4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner"
>> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere.
>>> One of
>>> them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people
>>> will think
>>> I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this
>>> illustrates the type of person I mean.
>>
>> which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its
>> convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with
>> no PT etc etc.
>
> For people travelling some distance I agree. However, how do we account
> for those who spend time installing children into their special seats,
> driving a few hundred yards to school, spend more time removing said
> children from the car and driving home again when it would be quicker
> and less effort to walk.
>
>> Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was
>> zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise
>> empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather
>> pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers
>> and all other points of view.
>> --
> There was some research done not so long ago which showed that those who
> claim to live a "green lifestyle" break other rules because they feel
> it's some sort of payback for being "eco-friendly".

Is this a form of the celebrated "risk-compensation" phenomenon, and is it
therefore not only car-drivers who fall prey to it?

You'll be getting howled out of ukrc.
From: JNugent on 20 May 2010 19:23
Dave Plowman wrote:

> JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:

[in response to:]
>>> I have a decent size Waitrose and Sainsbury within walking distance -
>>> both on the high street. There's no real reason they have to be 'out
>>> of town'.

>> Yes, there is.
>> They are more convenient, in more ways, to more people, on the edge of
>> town than they are in the centre or in the inner suburbs.

> I'm sure it is if you love driving miles for groceries.

>> That's why they do it.

> They do it because the sites are cheaper and people are stupid.

People are stupid to appreciate convenience, speed, choice, low (compared to
corner shops) prices, easy free parking and a general atmosphere of welcome,
are they?
From: JNugent on 20 May 2010 19:26
Dave Plowman wrote:
> In article <T9mdnbusdqsl8WjWnZ2dnUVZ7sadnZ2d(a)pipex.net>,
> JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>>> There you have it. Build an out of town shopping paradise so people
>>> drive to it and the high street closes. Then when petrol etc becomes
>>> so expensive there's no option - and it's rarely an option for the
>>> elderly or those who don't have a car. It's basically a recipe for
>>> disaster.
>
>> Go on... what is your proffered and preferred alternative?
>
> Having shops for basics like groceries close by.

Oh, that would be better. For certain values of "close by", at any rate.

How close is "close by"?

And how often do you think people should go grocery shopping? Just the once
per day, or more frequently than that?

>> And would it maintain realistic and practical freedom to travel for the
>> majority?

> Given the way fuel prices are rising that freedom is likely to be
> restricted by market force...

....much to your pleasure, one suspects.

From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 02:52
"GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

>> I have a decent size Waitrose and Sainsbury within walking distance -
>> both on the high street. There's no real reason they have to be 'out of
>> town'.

> Not everyone has such a time-free life as you, popping over to
> supermarket every couple of days for 1 'carry's worth of food? I
> certainly don't. I like to go once a week or once a fortnight and stock
> up on the heavy things, then carry it home in the boot of my car.

Isn't that what internet ordering/home delivery's for?
From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 02:53
Dave Plowman <dave(a)davesound.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> Not everyone has such a time-free life as you, popping over to
>> supermarket every couple of days for 1 'carry's worth of food? I
>> certainly don't. I like to go once a week or once a fortnight and stock
>> up on the heavy things, then carry it home in the boot of my car. Time
>> saved, which can be spent with my family and friends.

> Fine for you. I prefer to eat fresh food.

TBF, there's plenty of non-perishables which can be easily stocked-up.
Everything from non-food such as detergents, bog roll, etc etc, to
various dried goods. And, of course, drink.
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