From: JNugent on
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:29:34 +0100, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>> Central
>>> London.
>> Agreed.
>>
>> But try getting home 40+ miles by PT at 23:30.
>
> depends where to, but the further out you are the earlier you must
> leave. If you are 40 miles out is it reasonable to expect all night
> services?

No. Not when you can use your car.
From: Adrian on
JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:07:17 +0100, JNugent
>> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> do not give planning permission to shopping centres along motorways,
>>>> zone retail areas in the middle of population centres.
>>> And would people be able to get there easily by car, threading their
>>> way through bus-lanes, red-for-five-minutes-traffic-lights, sabotaged
>>> carriageways, spy cameras, etc?
>>
>> you go into central London by train
>
> Retail centres should be in the *centre of London*, you say?

Ikea wanted to build a store on the edge of Sheffield.

Sheffield council refused them planning permission, insisting the store
was in the city centre.

Ikea said "Oh. Well, in that case..." and abandoned plans to build a
store in Sheffield at all. So people from Sheffield have to go to
Nottingham or Leeds if they want to visit Ikea.
http://snipurl.com/wlzd
From: JNugent on
Adrian wrote:

> JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com>:
>> ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
>>> JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:]

>>>>> do not give planning permission to shopping centres along motorways,
>>>>> zone retail areas in the middle of population centres.

>>>> And would people be able to get there easily by car, threading their
>>>> way through bus-lanes, red-for-five-minutes-traffic-lights, sabotaged
>>>> carriageways, spy cameras, etc?

>>> you go into central London by train

>> Retail centres should be in the *centre of London*, you say?

> Ikea wanted to build a store on the edge of Sheffield.
> Sheffield council refused them planning permission, insisting the store
> was in the city centre.
> Ikea said "Oh. Well, in that case..." and abandoned plans to build a
> store in Sheffield at all. So people from Sheffield have to go to
> Nottingham or Leeds if they want to visit Ikea.
> http://snipurl.com/wlzd

Are Sheffield City Council mad?

There's no particular need to answer that rhetorical question.
From: JNugent on
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:51:30 +0100, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>>> you go into central London by train
>> Retail centres should be in the *centre of London*, you say?
>>
>> I hadn't realised quite how radical your suggestions were going to be.
>
> I thought you were talking about central london.

No. I was talking about normality.
From: JNugent on
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 16:54:56 +0100, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>>> depends where to, but the further out you are the earlier you must
>>> leave. If you are 40 miles out is it reasonable to expect all night
>>> services?
>> No. Not when you can use your car.
>
> but that defeats the object if 11.30 represents leaving a pub.

Does it?