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From: who where on 22 Apr 2010 07:56 On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:36:20 +0000 (UTC), am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au (hippo) wrote: >who where wrote: >> >> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:13:05 +1000, Pete <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >> >looking for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - >> >does anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >> > >> >While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems >> >to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >> > >> >><http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >> > >> >The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >> >then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >> >> Ditto the current series Lancer. Real PITA >> >> > >Let's get this clear.... just the mirrors or the whole car? :) Just the mirrors. Well, actually a couple of other things, but definitely not the whole car. Maybe some time soon I'll bore the group with a resume of five weeks (4000k) in a Lancer.
From: Milton on 22 Apr 2010 15:20 "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:%EXzn.20759$pv.11913(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4bd01e9d$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> On 21/04/2010 10:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>> "Someone Else"<bogusname(a)smallpond.com> wrote in message >>> news:4bced028$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>> >>>> "Pete"<pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com... >>>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>>> looking >>>>> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does >>>>> anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >>>>> >>>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what >>>>> seems >>>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >>>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>> >>>> That ADR reference is out of date. Get your hands on ADR 14/02. Key >>>> words: "The reflecting surface of a mirror must be either flat or >>>> spherically convex. Exterior mirrors may be equipped with an >>>> additional >>>> aspherical part provided that the main mirror fulfils the requirements >>>> of >>>> the indirect field of vision." >>>> >>>> I test drove a new Golf today - it has a convex external mirror - quite >>>> annoying when you've been used to a flattie for decades... >>>> >>> >>> I have those smaller convex mirrors stuck onto my original mirrors and >>> work >>> with them all the time >>> >>> >> That's fine if you have both but when you haven't got any flat mirror to >> judge distance with it makes it so much more difficult. >> The DAF I used to drive had a huge flat mirror plus a large convex mirror >> on both sides (all power adjustable and heated) which made rear >> visibility excellent in all conditions. >> >> >> Daryl >> >> >> Daryl > > I took a bus load to Melbourne last week and it had five rear view mirrors > stuck almost everywhere around the bus and I found that using the convex > mirror was easier than using the flat one when manouvering while backing > the tandem trailer on the back Maybe that explains why you're "different" George. Anyone who prefers backing trailers or even cars using convex mirrors over flatties is definitly "different". Forward highway driving I'd agree, but not for backing.
From: Pete on 22 Apr 2010 19:17 Athol wrote: >> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? > > Because you're looking at an out-of-date ADR and the car is legal. I freely admit confusion now that I've looked at ADR 14/00, ADR 14/01 and ADR 14/02 - they were all registered in August 2006. ADRs 14/00 and 14/01 specifically require the exterior drivers side mirror to be flat. ADR 14/02 allows it to be convex. ADR 14/02 says that it applies from August 15th 2006. ADR 14/01 says that it applies from August 16th, 2006. ADR 14/00 says that it applies from August 17th, 2006. Each ADR says that it repeals other ADRs with the exact same number - that is, ADR 14/02 only repeals other standards numbered 14/02, not 14/01 or 14/00. Which ADR is therefore in force? Either way, my wife's 2006 Honda Jazz was manufactured in early 2006, and first registered in June 2006 - before any of those ADRs applied. I was unable to locate a relevant ADR that applied before August 2006. Sucks to be you. Peter
From: Milton on 23 Apr 2010 05:51 "Atheist Chaplain" <abused(a)cia.gov> wrote in message news:4bd10ee4(a)news.x-privat.org... > "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4bd0e2ff$0$27855$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> On 22/04/2010 10:53 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >>> news:4bd01e9d$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> On 21/04/2010 10:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>>>> "Someone Else"<bogusname(a)smallpond.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4bced028$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Pete"<pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com... >>>>>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does >>>>>>> anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what >>>>>>> seems >>>>>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. >>>>>>> How >>>>>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> That ADR reference is out of date. Get your hands on ADR 14/02. Key >>>>>> words: "The reflecting surface of a mirror must be either flat or >>>>>> spherically convex. Exterior mirrors may be equipped with an >>>>>> additional >>>>>> aspherical part provided that the main mirror fulfils the >>>>>> requirements >>>>>> of >>>>>> the indirect field of vision." >>>>>> >>>>>> I test drove a new Golf today - it has a convex external mirror - >>>>>> quite >>>>>> annoying when you've been used to a flattie for decades... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have those smaller convex mirrors stuck onto my original mirrors and >>>>> work >>>>> with them all the time >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That's fine if you have both but when you haven't got any flat mirror >>>> to >>>> judge distance with it makes it so much more difficult. >>>> The DAF I used to drive had a huge flat mirror plus a large convex >>>> mirror >>>> on both sides (all power adjustable and heated) which made rear >>>> visibility >>>> excellent in all conditions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Daryl >>>> >>>> >>>> Daryl >>> >>> I took a bus load to Melbourne last week and it had five rear view >>> mirrors >>> stuck almost everywhere around the bus and I found that using the >>> convex >>> mirror was easier than using the flat one when manouvering while backing >>> the >>> tandem trailer on the back >>> >>> >> At least one person likes them then but the rest of us don't so why do >> they fit the bloody useless things? >> I don't have a problem with them when driving forward on the road but I >> find using a convex mirror only to reverse into a tight space a PITA. >> Most people find it very difficult to reverse a trailer into my garage >> because the front door is offset to one side of the driveway and the >> garage is narrower at the back than the front, > > who built your garage?? > the blokes from the ettamogah pub ............ > ROFLMAO...well said AC.
From: George W Frost on 23 Apr 2010 07:01
"Milton" <millame23(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4bd16dbc$0$27864$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused(a)cia.gov> wrote in message > >>>> >>>> >>> At least one person likes them then but the rest of us don't so why do >>> they fit the bloody useless things? >>> I don't have a problem with them when driving forward on the road but I >>> find using a convex mirror only to reverse into a tight space a PITA. >>> Most people find it very difficult to reverse a trailer into my garage >>> because the front door is offset to one side of the driveway and the >>> garage is narrower at the back than the front, >> >> who built your garage?? >> the blokes from the ettamogah pub ............ >> > ROFLMAO...well said AC. Geezus, don't give him any encouragement |