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From: George W Frost on 22 Apr 2010 08:53 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4bd01e9d$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 21/04/2010 10:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >> "Someone Else"<bogusname(a)smallpond.com> wrote in message >> news:4bced028$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>> >>> "Pete"<pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com... >>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>> looking >>>> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does >>>> anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >>>> >>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what >>>> seems >>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >>>> >>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >>>> >>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >>>> >>>> Peter >>> >>> That ADR reference is out of date. Get your hands on ADR 14/02. Key >>> words: "The reflecting surface of a mirror must be either flat or >>> spherically convex. Exterior mirrors may be equipped with an additional >>> aspherical part provided that the main mirror fulfils the requirements >>> of >>> the indirect field of vision." >>> >>> I test drove a new Golf today - it has a convex external mirror - quite >>> annoying when you've been used to a flattie for decades... >>> >> >> I have those smaller convex mirrors stuck onto my original mirrors and >> work >> with them all the time >> >> > That's fine if you have both but when you haven't got any flat mirror to > judge distance with it makes it so much more difficult. > The DAF I used to drive had a huge flat mirror plus a large convex mirror > on both sides (all power adjustable and heated) which made rear visibility > excellent in all conditions. > > > Daryl > > > Daryl I took a bus load to Melbourne last week and it had five rear view mirrors stuck almost everywhere around the bus and I found that using the convex mirror was easier than using the flat one when manouvering while backing the tandem trailer on the back
From: Deevo on 22 Apr 2010 09:18 "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:njTzn.20694$pv.19486(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... <snip> > How come, when I looked at replacing my taillights with those Altezza? > lights on my BA coon car > The roadworthy place told me that they would not pass them for a > roadworthy > Yet, the Prius has got the same style of taillight, with the silvery > looking plastic cover instead of the red lens Similar style perhaps but not the same light output. Those aftermarket types are not necessarily up to scratch. -- Deevo Geraldton Western Australia
From: D Walford on 22 Apr 2010 19:59 On 22/04/2010 10:53 PM, George W Frost wrote: > "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4bd01e9d$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> On 21/04/2010 10:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>> "Someone Else"<bogusname(a)smallpond.com> wrote in message >>> news:4bced028$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>> >>>> "Pete"<pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com... >>>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>>> looking >>>>> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does >>>>> anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >>>>> >>>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what >>>>> seems >>>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >>>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>> >>>> That ADR reference is out of date. Get your hands on ADR 14/02. Key >>>> words: "The reflecting surface of a mirror must be either flat or >>>> spherically convex. Exterior mirrors may be equipped with an additional >>>> aspherical part provided that the main mirror fulfils the requirements >>>> of >>>> the indirect field of vision." >>>> >>>> I test drove a new Golf today - it has a convex external mirror - quite >>>> annoying when you've been used to a flattie for decades... >>>> >>> >>> I have those smaller convex mirrors stuck onto my original mirrors and >>> work >>> with them all the time >>> >>> >> That's fine if you have both but when you haven't got any flat mirror to >> judge distance with it makes it so much more difficult. >> The DAF I used to drive had a huge flat mirror plus a large convex mirror >> on both sides (all power adjustable and heated) which made rear visibility >> excellent in all conditions. >> >> >> Daryl >> >> >> Daryl > > I took a bus load to Melbourne last week and it had five rear view mirrors > stuck almost everywhere around the bus and I found that using the convex > mirror was easier than using the flat one when manouvering while backing the > tandem trailer on the back > > At least one person likes them then but the rest of us don't so why do they fit the bloody useless things? I don't have a problem with them when driving forward on the road but I find using a convex mirror only to reverse into a tight space a PITA. Most people find it very difficult to reverse a trailer into my garage because the front door is offset to one side of the driveway and the garage is narrower at the back than the front, having done it many many times I'm used to it and didn't have any problems with my old Hilux with flat mirrors but I had all sorts of problem when I got the new Hilux almost 12mths ago, I'm used to the new mirrors now but IMO its still a PITA and I can't see any benefit to a drivers side convex mirror. Daryl
From: Atheist Chaplain on 22 Apr 2010 09:29 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4bd01d8a$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 21/04/2010 9:40 PM, Atheist Chaplain wrote: >> "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >> news:4bce9d5d$0$8753$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> On 21/04/2010 4:13 PM, Pete wrote: >>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>> looking for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - >>>> does anyone have any ideas on who I can call? >>>> >>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what >>>> seems >>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors: >>>> >>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How >>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror? >>>> >>> Good question, my 09 Hilux has a convex drivers side mirror and I >>> don't like it. >>> Not 100% sure about my wife's new Forester but I think it also has a >>> convex drivers side external mirror. >>> >>> >>> Daryl >> >> now that would be an interesting argument, refusing delivery of your car >> from the dealer because the convex drivers side mirror does not meet >> Australian ADR's :-) >> I wonder how that would go down with the dealer............. >> > Like a lead brick:-) > > > Daryl I was actually giving that some thought today, still in the market for something new to drive (as always but procrastination is becoming an art form for me) I was looking at a couple of VW models and they also have the convex mirrors, how receptive would the sales droid be if I said "If you can replace the two convex rear view mirrors with flat ones you have a sale" Personally I think they might strain muscles getting to the car's mirrors with a hammer and looking for the card of a local glazier :-) -- [This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International] "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi
From: George W Frost on 22 Apr 2010 21:08
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4bd0e2ff$0$27855$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 22/04/2010 10:53 PM, George W Frost wrote: >> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >> news:4bd01e9d$0$27852$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> On 21/04/2010 10:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>>> "Someone Else"<bogusname(a)smallpond.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4bced028$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>>> >>>>> "Pete"<pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com... >>>>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm >>>>>> looking > At least one person likes them then but the rest of us don't so why do > they fit the bloody useless things? > I don't have a problem with them when driving forward on the road but I > find using a convex mirror only to reverse into a tight space a PITA. > Most people find it very difficult to reverse a trailer into my garage > because the front door is offset to one side of the driveway and the > garage is narrower at the back than the front, having done it many many > times I'm used to it and didn't have any problems with my old Hilux with > flat mirrors but I had all sorts of problem when I got the new Hilux > almost 12mths ago, I'm used to the new mirrors now but IMO its still a > PITA and I can't see any benefit to a drivers side convex mirror. > > > Daryl Very handy Daryl when you are backing a trailer into a confined space, you can see exactly where the wheels are and where they are going |