From: George W Frost on

"Pete" <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com...
> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm looking
> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does anyone
> have any ideas on who I can call?
>
> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems
> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors:
>
> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf>
>
> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How
> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror?
>
> Peter

Probably because of the lax import rules and slack personnel running it.


From: Kev on
George W Frost wrote:
> "James" <dotatdot(a)tpig.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4bceaa69(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> "Pete" <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com...
>>> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm looking
>>> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does
>>> anyone have any ideas on who I can call?
>>>
>>> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems
>>> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors:
>>>
>>> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf>
>>>
>>> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How
>>> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror?
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>> All of the newish cars I've driven lately of European or Japanese build,
>> including commercial, have convex drivers side (and passenger) mirrors,
>> although some (supposedly) have a flat portion with only the outside being
>> convex.
>>
>> Ever tried reversing a large trailer using only mirrors when the fuckers
>> are convex? Not fun!!
>>
>> James
>>
>
>
>
> Yes, I reverse small and large trailers using both flat and convex mirrors
> and it makes no difference at all.

Try backing a 40 foot trailer onto a tight loading dock and see how you
go, your distance judgment is way out, you can get used to it but it
takes a long time

another difficult one is when you are offroad and have to back into
somewhere with obstacles(ruts and logs etc.) and wheel placement is critical

My new Prado has LH & RH convex mirrors
but it's SWB and will hardly be doing any real offroading
My 100 Series has just a LH convex and it's a bit of a pain in some
situations where distance judgment is needed, but other times it's good
because you can see the rear wheel as well as the whole rear of the vehicle


Kev
From: The Raven on
"Pete" <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com...
> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm looking
> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does anyone
> have any ideas on who I can call?
>
> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems
> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors:
>
> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf>
>
> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How
> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror?

The ADRs are conveniently ignored by manufacturers and officials alike.
However, if the average Joe put purple window tint (ala Renault) on their
windscreen, added blue headlights (ala BMW), a bonnet scoop (ala WRX),
obstructed their vision with oversized A pillars (ala most new cars) then
they'd have their cars impounded quicker than it took to write this.


From: Scotty on

"Pete" <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com...
: My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm
: looking for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne -
: does anyone have any ideas on who I can call?
:
: While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems
: to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors:
:
:
<http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf>
:
: The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How
: then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror?
:
: Peter

Last time I had to replace one I took it to a glazier and he cut a new one and smoothed all the
edges, couldnt tell the difference really. Cost= $23 including the gluing to the old backing. A bit
on the expensive side but way cheaper than the origional.


From: Someone Else on

"Pete" <pjetson(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4BCE9771.6070609(a)yahoo.com...
> My wife's 2006 Honda Jazz has a convex driver's side mirror. I'm looking
> for someone to supply a replacement flat mirror in Melbourne - does anyone
> have any ideas on who I can call?
>
> While I was googling to try to find a supplier, I came across what seems
> to be the current ADR for rear vision mirrors:
>
> <http://www.fedlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/88A97BFF3124ECEDCA257257007D18BC/$file/ADR1401comp1FINALFRLI.pdf>
>
> The ADR says that the external driver's side mirror must be flat. How
> then have Honda been able to sell this car with a convex mirror?
>
> Peter

That ADR reference is out of date. Get your hands on ADR 14/02. Key words:
"The reflecting surface of a mirror must be either flat or spherically
convex. Exterior mirrors may be equipped with an additional aspherical part
provided that the main mirror fulfils the requirements of the indirect field
of vision."

I test drove a new Golf today - it has a convex external mirror - quite
annoying when you've been used to a flattie for decades...