From: Harry Bloomfield on
on 25/11/2009, Conor supposed :
> I hardly see any cars compared to 10 years ago.

I saw only one abandoned caravan this year on the road side - A64 east
bound some way before the Eden Camp turn off. I have seen 3 abandoned
cars this month so far - Skipton bypass, Leeds north ring and one on
the approach to Ripon in a lay-bye this week.

As you suggest not so many now, as 10 years ago, but I think the
councils have had to tighten up their removal procedures.

Harry (M1BYT) (L)

From: Champ on
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:05:02 +0000, Silk <me(a)> wrote:

>On 25/11/2009 22:58, Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:24:52 +0000, Silk<me(a)> wrote:
>>> Bikers are simply a different breed and, apart from sharing the same
>>> roads, have almost nothing in common with car drivers.
>> The vast majority of bikers are also car drivers, you twonk.

>You don't get it. Hardly surprising really.

Ah, the "superiour smug" response - a usenet favourite. Well done.

I think my traditional role is to ask you what I don't get, so that
you have the opportunity to play the "if you don't know, I'm not going
to tell you" card.

Go on then.
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From: Pip Luscher on
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:07:35 +0000, Silk <me(a)> wrote:

>Clue: how many people are killed by bikes as opposed to cars per mile?

Including riders and pillions, or just third parties? It's an
important distinction that bears no relationship to how reckless the
rider was.

From: Harry Bloomfield on
It happens that Silk formulated :
> I'd rather not take the chance.

Your road skills not up to it :-)

> Car driving can also be quite
>> a risky business, especially for the unskilled - so why with such an
>> aversion to risk, take up driving?
> It's the lesser evil. Cars are inherently *far* safer than bikes and more
> comfortable and practical.

Yes, which is why all of my business and most of my pleasure miles are
on 4x wheels, but for a real experience of pleasure, I get the bike

Harry (M1BYT) (L)

From: Harry Bloomfield on
on 25/11/2009, Silk supposed :
> There's a lot of expects and readies there. It's not a good idea to have to
> worry about your lights half way through an overtake at night.

I'm not 'worrying' about my lights, I will need full beam anyway.

>> The point is to be able to see ahead of the vehicle ahead of you, to
>> enable you to make an initial judgement of the road ahead - once that is
>> done and the maneuver started, you do not need their lights any more.
> You hope.

No, I don't drive on hope, I don't need to - I drive on predictable
certainties all the time.

>> Think of it like this....
>> You are driving at a good speed down a dark unlit road, no other
>> vehicles around you. Your own lights all fail, it is completely dark,
>> you cannot see the road. What do you do?
>> You bring your vehicle to a stop relying entirely on your mind's eye
>> picture of the road ahead.
> You're talking about an unavoidable emergency situation. An overtake is
> neither of these.

Same principle. It was the principle I was explaining.

Harry (M1BYT) (L)