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From: Paul Weaver on 26 Nov 2009 19:28 On 27 Nov, 00:07, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:22:35 -0000, "Rob" > > > > <rsvptorob-newsREM...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >Peter Grange wrote: > >|| On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:30:31 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >|| <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >|| > >||| webreader wrote: > >|||| Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these > >|||| cyclists. Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration > >|||| unlike motorists. > >|||| > >|||| > >||||http://tiny.cc/iOoJY > >||| > >||| Do you mean those cyclists who pay no road tax, have no insurance, > >||| don't have to pass a test of competance & don't have any visible > >||| means of being traced? > >|| What's road tax please? > > >It's the tax one pays for permission to use a vehicle on the road. It's > >referred to by various different names, eg. car tax, vehicle tax, Vehicle > >excise duty, road tax etc. but most people understand what it means. > > >||| > >||| Or did you mean those cyclists who get free cycle lanes that hold > >||| up tax paying motorists, ignore lights, one way systems and ride on > >||| pavements? > >|| Pretty much everyone in the uk pays tax, how do you recognise the > >|| non-taxpayers please? > > >Non-taxpayers (in the context used), can be recognised by the lack of a > >vehicle excise duty disk attatched to their vehicle, ie. car, van, bike etc. > > >HTH > > Quite. It's a tax. It pays for things. What it does not do is give > someone who pays that tax any more right to use the road than someone > who pays whatever tax the government requires them to pay. The > inference was that cyclists are somehow second class road users > because they do not pay VED, which is plain nonsense. Perhaps someone with a " New Ibiza 5 door 1.4 TDI 80PS Ecomotive M5 " as a vehicle is a second-class citizen, like cyclists they also do not "pay tax" (VED. at any rate) Someone in a Vauxhall " Insignia 5 Door Hatchback 2.8i V6 24v Turbo (260PS) M6 " on the other hand pays more than most, perhaps drivers of those vehicles have more right to the roads? In any case, drivers of lorries would no doubt have the most right.
From: Paul Weaver on 26 Nov 2009 19:31 On 26 Nov, 18:25, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: > Doesn't make it legal. They probably are not enlightened just trying to > avoid filling in the reams of paperwork they would need to if they stop > a cyclist for any offence. Or indeed stop anyone for any offence. I've certainly been let off with warnings while driving plenty of times. Having said that, I have delightedly seen cyclists given FPNs for pavement cycling in London :)
From: NM on 26 Nov 2009 19:52 On 27 Nov, 00:07, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:22:35 -0000, "Rob" > > > > <rsvptorob-newsREM...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >Peter Grange wrote: > >|| On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:30:31 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >|| <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >|| > >||| webreader wrote: > >|||| Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these > >|||| cyclists. Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration > >|||| unlike motorists. > >|||| > >|||| > >||||http://tiny.cc/iOoJY > >||| > >||| Do you mean those cyclists who pay no road tax, have no insurance, > >||| don't have to pass a test of competance & don't have any visible > >||| means of being traced? > >|| What's road tax please? > > >It's the tax one pays for permission to use a vehicle on the road. It's > >referred to by various different names, eg. car tax, vehicle tax, Vehicle > >excise duty, road tax etc. but most people understand what it means. > > >||| > >||| Or did you mean those cyclists who get free cycle lanes that hold > >||| up tax paying motorists, ignore lights, one way systems and ride on > >||| pavements? > >|| Pretty much everyone in the uk pays tax, how do you recognise the > >|| non-taxpayers please? > > >Non-taxpayers (in the context used), can be recognised by the lack of a > >vehicle excise duty disk attatched to their vehicle, ie. car, van, bike etc. > > >HTH > > Quite. It's a tax. It pays for things. What it does not do is give > someone who pays that tax any more right to use the road than someone > who pays whatever tax the government requires them to pay. The > inference was that cyclists are somehow second class road users > because they do not pay VED, which is plain nonsense. > Regarding the taxation, agreed it's nonsense, however they are still second class road users.
From: NM on 26 Nov 2009 19:54 On 27 Nov, 00:31, Paul Weaver <use...(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: > On 26 Nov, 18:25, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: > > > Doesn't make it legal. They probably are not enlightened just trying to > > avoid filling in the reams of paperwork they would need to if they stop > > a cyclist for any offence. > > Or indeed stop anyone for any offence. I've certainly been let off > with warnings while driving plenty of times. > > Having said that, I have delightedly seen cyclists given FPNs for > pavement cycling in London :) Good, more of that is required.
From: Doug on 27 Nov 2009 02:25
On 26 Nov, 08:12, "Partac" <petemac9...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:07e6ca8e-95b6-4d1e-a9f3-0d4ea539bddf(a)g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > On 25 Nov, 23:09, webreader <websiterea...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these cyclists. > >> Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration unlike > >> motorists. > > >>http://tiny.cc/iOoJY > > > Probably because the more enlightened among the police realise that > > cyclists only do it to escape the serious dangers posed by drivers on > > our roads. > > And where do the pedestrians go to escape the serious dangers posed by > cyclists on our pavements? > Pedestrians are in a double bind because they are similarly and much more dangerously menaced by cars. Even people inside houses are not safe from crashing cars which demolish walls, something way beyond the capability of cyclists. There is also the question of pavement motorists who are allowed to park there and cross pavements to gain access. I do feel sorry for pedestrians, hemmed in as they are by railings and having to cope with cluttered pavements, while drivers are allowed to travel freely nearby at excessive and dangerous speeds. In comparison with motorists though, cyclists who are also vulnerable road victims, seem to present pedestrians with little serious danger. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |