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From: Peter Grange on 27 Nov 2009 05:46 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:17:30 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote: >On 27 Nov, 09:33, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> NM wrote: >> > Regarding the taxation, agreed it's nonsense, however they are still >> > second class road users. >> >> It's rather like going to hospital (or going to the doctor's surgery) and >> finding that you have to wait to be seen because there are old people, >> unemployed people and lower paid workers who do not pay the NI contributions >> which I do. > >The old people have already paid and probably paid for your education >as well so why should they not get priority, AFAIK all paid employees >pay NI contributions although they may not pay income tax so that >really only leaves the unemployed for you to have a go at. If you are over retirement age and still working (60 for women, 65 for men) you don't pay employee NI conts. The employer still has to pay though. Pensions don't attract NI either, even if you receive it under 65, but I don't know if there's another minimum age for that. -- Pete
From: Paul Weaver on 27 Nov 2009 06:09 On 27 Nov, 09:31, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:28:32 -0800 (PST), Paul Weaver > > > > <use...(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: > >On 27 Nov, 00:07, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:22:35 -0000, "Rob" > > >> <rsvptorob-newsREM...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >Peter Grange wrote: > >> >|| On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:30:31 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >> >|| <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> >|| > >> >||| webreader wrote: > >> >|||| Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these > >> >|||| cyclists. Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration > >> >|||| unlike motorists. > >> >|||| > >> >|||| > >> >||||http://tiny.cc/iOoJY > >> >||| > >> >||| Do you mean those cyclists who pay no road tax, have no insurance, > >> >||| don't have to pass a test of competance & don't have any visible > >> >||| means of being traced? > >> >|| What's road tax please? > > >> >It's the tax one pays for permission to use a vehicle on the road. It's > >> >referred to by various different names, eg. car tax, vehicle tax, Vehicle > >> >excise duty, road tax etc. but most people understand what it means. > > >> >||| > >> >||| Or did you mean those cyclists who get free cycle lanes that hold > >> >||| up tax paying motorists, ignore lights, one way systems and ride on > >> >||| pavements? > >> >|| Pretty much everyone in the uk pays tax, how do you recognise the > >> >|| non-taxpayers please? > > >> >Non-taxpayers (in the context used), can be recognised by the lack of a > >> >vehicle excise duty disk attatched to their vehicle, ie. car, van, bike etc. > > >> >HTH > > >> Quite. It's a tax. It pays for things. What it does not do is give > >> someone who pays that tax any more right to use the road than someone > >> who pays whatever tax the government requires them to pay. The > >> inference was that cyclists are somehow second class road users > >> because they do not pay VED, which is plain nonsense. > > >Perhaps someone with a " New Ibiza 5 door 1.4 TDI 80PS Ecomotive M5 " > >as a vehicle is a second-class citizen, like cyclists they also do not > >"pay tax" (VED. at any rate) > > >Someone in a Vauxhall " Insignia 5 Door Hatchback 2.8i V6 24v Turbo > >(260PS) M6 " on the other hand pays more than most, perhaps drivers of > >those vehicles have more right to the roads? > > Why? You've asserted that a right to the road is linked to the amount of tax you pay The V6 VAuxhall paays £400 per year, the Ibiza pays £0 per year. > >In any case, drivers of lorries would no doubt have the most right. > > Rubbish Lorry owners pay more tax.
From: Peter Grange on 27 Nov 2009 06:10 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:14:12 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote: >On 27 Nov, 09:35, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> NM wrote: >> > On 27 Nov, 00:31, Paul Weaver <use...(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: >> >> On 26 Nov, 18:25, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: >> >> >>> Doesn't make it legal. They probably are not enlightened just >> >>> trying to avoid filling in the reams of paperwork they would need >> >>> to if they stop a cyclist for any offence. >> >> >> Or indeed stop anyone for any offence. I've certainly been let off >> >> with warnings while driving plenty of times. >> >> >> Having said that, I have delightedly seen cyclists given FPNs for >> >> pavement cycling in London :) >> >> > Good, more of that is required. >> >> I agree, if you force them onto the roads, it will slow down the traffic and >> make it safer for everyone. > >And the attrition rate amoungst cyclists will increase. Not if the traffic speed decreases enough it won't. Heart attacks at the wheel for drivers might increase though, if a silly argument is what you want. -- Pete
From: Peter Grange on 27 Nov 2009 06:30 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:09:16 -0800 (PST), Paul Weaver <usenet(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: >On 27 Nov, 09:31, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:28:32 -0800 (PST), Paul Weaver >> >> >> >> <use...(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: >> >On 27 Nov, 00:07, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:22:35 -0000, "Rob" >> >> >> <rsvptorob-newsREM...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >Peter Grange wrote: >> >> >|| On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:30:31 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" >> >> >|| <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >|| >> >> >||| webreader wrote: >> >> >|||| Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these >> >> >|||| cyclists. Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration >> >> >|||| unlike motorists. >> >> >|||| >> >> >|||| >> >> >||||http://tiny.cc/iOoJY >> >> >||| >> >> >||| Do you mean those cyclists who pay no road tax, have no insurance, >> >> >||| don't have to pass a test of competance & don't have any visible >> >> >||| means of being traced? >> >> >|| What's road tax please? >> >> >> >It's the tax one pays for permission to use a vehicle on the road. It's >> >> >referred to by various different names, eg. car tax, vehicle tax, Vehicle >> >> >excise duty, road tax etc. but most people understand what it means. >> >> >> >||| >> >> >||| Or did you mean those cyclists who get free cycle lanes that hold >> >> >||| up tax paying motorists, ignore lights, one way systems and ride on >> >> >||| pavements? >> >> >|| Pretty much everyone in the uk pays tax, how do you recognise the >> >> >|| non-taxpayers please? >> >> >> >Non-taxpayers (in the context used), can be recognised by the lack of a >> >> >vehicle excise duty disk attatched to their vehicle, ie. car, van, bike etc. >> >> >> >HTH >> >> >> Quite. It's a tax. It pays for things. What it does not do is give >> >> someone who pays that tax any more right to use the road than someone >> >> who pays whatever tax the government requires them to pay. The >> >> inference was that cyclists are somehow second class road users >> >> because they do not pay VED, which is plain nonsense. >> >> >Perhaps someone with a " New Ibiza 5 door 1.4 TDI 80PS Ecomotive M5 " >> >as a vehicle is a second-class citizen, like cyclists they also do not >> >"pay tax" (VED. at any rate) >> >> >Someone in a Vauxhall " Insignia 5 Door Hatchback 2.8i V6 24v Turbo >> >(260PS) M6 " on the other hand pays more than most, perhaps drivers of >> >those vehicles have more right to the roads? >> >> Why? > >You've asserted that a right to the road is linked to the amount of >tax you pay I assure you I have not. >The V6 VAuxhall paays �400 per year, the Ibiza pays �0 per >year. > >> >In any case, drivers of lorries would no doubt have the most right. >> >> Rubbish > >Lorry owners pay more tax. Rubbish
From: mileburner on 27 Nov 2009 07:26
"NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:c5aa1644-eae3-452d-80e8-4fdedc90e37a(a)w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > On 27 Nov, 09:33, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> NM wrote: >> > Regarding the taxation, agreed it's nonsense, however they are still >> > second class road users. >> >> It's rather like going to hospital (or going to the doctor's surgery) and >> finding that you have to wait to be seen because there are old people, >> unemployed people and lower paid workers who do not pay the NI >> contributions >> which I do. > > The old people have already paid and probably paid for your education > as well so why should they not get priority, In relation to "Road Tax" The cyclist may have already paid it for the years when he ran a car (In fact they may still run a car but is using a bicycle by choice). So why should they not get priority over younger drivers? Bizarre isn't it? |