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From: MasonS on 6 Dec 2009 07:39 On 5 Dec, 23:09, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > Not all CO2 is the same. > > You are one of Doug's sock puppets AICMFP. The carbon coming out of your car is *new* carbon that was previously locked away for millions of years. The carbon coming out in my breath *could* be the same carbon that Julius Caesar ate. Big difference. Otherwise this wouldn't happen. http://www.holon.se/folke/carbon/pictures/maunaloa_CO2graph.jpg -- Simon Mason
From: Mr. Benn on 6 Dec 2009 07:46 "MasonS(a)BP.com" <MasonS(a)BP.com> wrote in news:867b9ab4-a44a-433c-9d1c- c983963201b2(a)g25g2000vbl.googlegroups.com: > On 5 Dec, 23:09, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: >> > Not all CO2 is the same. >> >> You are one of Doug's sock puppets AICMFP. > > The carbon coming out of your car is *new* carbon that was previously > locked away for millions of years. > The carbon coming out in my breath *could* be the same carbon that > Julius Caesar ate. > Big difference. Otherwise this wouldn't happen. > > http://www.holon.se/folke/carbon/pictures/maunaloa_CO2graph.jpg > -- > Simon Mason So who's tagging the molecules?
From: MasonS on 6 Dec 2009 07:50 On 6 Dec, 12:32, Tom Crispin <kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 04:02:55 -0800 (PST), "Mas...(a)BP.com" > > <Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote: > >On 5 Dec, 23:08, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > >> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > >> > Of course, cyclists pay for motorways... > > >> Even you must be cringing at having typed that. > > >Why? - it is true. Motorways, unlike local roads which are funded out > >of council tax are funded out of the big treasury pot that little old > >ladies cycling to the grocers pay into. > > Possibly not. Many little old ladies are not net contributors to > general taxation, and much that they buy at the grocer is untaxed; if > they cycle they are not paying VAT or duty on their fuel, and it is > possible that they don't have a car and therefore do not pay vehicle > excise duty. And if they travel to the grocer by bus it is likely > that their transport costs are met out of general taxation via their > local council, funded in a substantial part by the treasury. > > But I do know what you mean. By the same token, I could be a 65 year multi millionaire who has paid vast sums in income tax and NI over my career, but chooses to use my Brompton to go to the train station everyday. Yet some 17 year old scrote who has just passed his test in his Nova bips his horn at me as he has paid "road tax" and I am in his way. That's how people like Medway Van Driver's mind works, sadly. -- Simon Mason
From: Peter Grange on 6 Dec 2009 07:52 On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:32:33 +0000, Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: >On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 04:02:55 -0800 (PST), "MasonS(a)BP.com" ><MasonS(a)BP.com> wrote: > >>On 5 Dec, 23:08, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >>> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: >>> > Of course, cyclists pay for motorways... >>> >>> Even you must be cringing at having typed that. >> >>Why? - it is true. Motorways, unlike local roads which are funded out >>of council tax are funded out of the big treasury pot that little old >>ladies cycling to the grocers pay into. > >Possibly not. Many little old ladies are not net contributors to >general taxation, and much that they buy at the grocer is untaxed; if >they cycle they are not paying VAT or duty on their fuel, and it is >possible that they don't have a car and therefore do not pay vehicle >excise duty. And if they travel to the grocer by bus it is likely >that their transport costs are met out of general taxation via their >local council, funded in a substantial part by the treasury. > >But I do know what you mean. Don't get The Medway Handyman going on about freeloading pensioners. The world doesn't have enough bandwidth :-) -- Pete - The Tax Paying Driving Licence Owning Cyclist
From: Ian Dalziel on 6 Dec 2009 07:54
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:38:28 GMT, Strangely Composed <here(a)there.nowhere> wrote: >If you're going to quibble... DavidR said: > >> "Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote >>> In article <hfe63g$6ql$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner >>> says... >>> >>>> While out on my bike today, I was thinking to myself, I wonder what >>>> the vehicle emissions are on my bikes and what the VED would be if >>>> there was any. I came to the conclusion that the emissions are nil and >>>> the VED would >>>> be zero. >>>> >>> So you're a clueless cyclist. I'll give you a lesson. >>> >>> When you cycle, you exert energy over and above that of a person who is >>> driving a car or walking. >> >> Cycling does not require more energy than walking. >> > >Even if you assume cycling at walking pace the cyclist still has to move >the mass of the bike as well as him/herself, which will take more energy. > >There is also additional energy required to overcome the friction >inherent in the mechanisms of the cycle. > >As cyclists tend to move faster than walkers other factors such as >overcoming wind resistance and kinetic energy conversion. > You're using the energy to *accelerate* the mass. Try this - a bike and a runner set off from the same point and accelerate to the same speed. Then, simultaneously, the runner stops running and the cyclist stops pedalling. Will they cover the same distance? -- Ian D |