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From: johnwright ""john" on 7 Dec 2009 12:23 dan(a)telent.net wrote: > %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes: > >> <shrug> So you came to an erroneous conclusion. The Cycling and Health >> booklet produced by Cycling England gives a figure of 1200kcal/h for >> cycling. > > Are you sure about that? I'd have expected it to be about half that or > a little more, which is what most other sources list. > >> You might think that's insignficant, however if you are cycling at 12 >> miles per hour then your emissions are 26g CO2 per km. Again you might >> argue that is insignificant. However a car such as VW Polo Blue Motion >> can take five occupants and emits 100g CO2 per km. The same five people >> travelling by bicycle would emit 130g CO2 per km. > > Er, some mistake there surely? I don't know about the VW Polo Blue > Motion (maybe it's biodiesel?), AFAIK its just an ordinary diesel car, albeit very efficient. The whole point of biodiesel is that it can be used in existing engines. Even the USAF has shown this having flown most of their planes on it if only for verification purposes. -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: Steve Firth on 7 Dec 2009 13:02 Ian Dalziel <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote: > >Still good to see you hypocritically resorting to ad hominem. Makes a > >change from tu quoque, I suppose. > > Erm... Tu quoque *is* ad hominem... The two are distinct IMO. Ad hominem is simply an attack upon the morals, probity, physical appearance of stupidity of one's opponent in an attempot to discredit them. "Tu Quoque" is stating that it's OK for me to do "X" because someone else (not necessarily the opponent) does "Y". As in the cyclists who state repeatedly that it's OK for them to cycle on the pavement or past red lights because (some) motorists break the law.
From: MasonS on 7 Dec 2009 13:38 On 7 Dec, 18:18, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote: > Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> considered 7 Dec 2009 07:42:41 GMT the > Carbon that falls as soot isn't CO2, and has dropped out of the CO2 > cycle. Unless it falls onto a fire ;-) -- Simon Mason
From: Tom Crispin on 7 Dec 2009 13:50 On 7 Dec 2009 07:42:41 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> gurgled happily, >sounding much like they were saying: > >> [Snip - much twaddle] > >Sorry, was it all a little inconvenient for your belief system? > >OK, so if what we're emitting NOW will affect the environment for >decades, why is what we're experiencing NOW unrelated to what we emitted >decades ago, rather than now? > >You can't have it both ways. > >>>We KNOW that we're much "cleaner" now than we were then. > >> No we are not. We are spewing ever increasing amounts of Greenhouse >> gasses into the atmosphere. > >Right. We're no "cleaner" than we were in the '50s, when we used to get >thick polluted fogs in London regularly, largely caused by the widespread >burning of fossil fuels for power, heating, public transport... Fool! We are talking about a global issue here, not a London smog problem. CO2 is colourless, as are many other Greenhouse gasses. Particulates are part of the problem, and is probably the most easy part of the whole problem to solve. Britain has certainly done much to reduce particulates in London over the past 50 or 60 years.
From: Derek Geldard on 7 Dec 2009 14:50
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC), boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: >On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:46:17 +0000 >Derek Geldard <impex(a)miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>As long as the money ( power and control) ends up in the right hands >>- Eh ? > >Yeah , all those climate scientists are secretly plotting to take over the >world. They say they get research grants but we all know they use the money >to build secret underground bunkers inside volcanos with huge weather >controlling machines! > They might. I couldn't possibly say. My experience does tell me to expect delegates to pig out on expenses, and in the longer term to build highly paid empires motivated by their sole desire to maximise their salary take that would make a banker blush. You don't think so ? They all made their way to W.W. Copenhagen on foot and in rowing boats, and are currently living in tents on pickled herrings are they ? Derek |