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From: Adrian on 27 Nov 2009 07:57 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > You pay VED on a vehicle > to allow you to put that specific > vehicle on public roads for the duration of the licence. I've corrected the misunderstandings in your post.
From: dan on 27 Nov 2009 09:11 Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes: > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: > >> You pay VED > > on a motor > vehicle > >> to allow you to put > > that specific > motor >> vehicle on public roads for the duration of the licence. > > I've corrected some of > the misunderstandings in your post. -dan
From: Steve Firth on 27 Nov 2009 09:04 Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > I don't recall being knocked over on the pavement by a motorist, but a > cyclist has managed to do this. Walking on pavements in London I have to dodge a flying cyclist every few hundred yards. Just a walk from place to work to sandwich bar can see me dodging a dozen or more pavement cyclists. Even more galling because there's a cycle lane on the pavement bu the cyclists choose not to use them. I've not had to dodge a single car in the last twelve months. There are also "Give Way" markings for cyclists which are use whenever the cycle lane crosses the pavement. Would you like to guess how many cyclists obey those markings?
From: mileburner on 27 Nov 2009 09:37 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1j9ueyx.1mu5i2w1uedkqdN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> I don't recall being knocked over on the pavement by a motorist, but a >> cyclist has managed to do this. > > Walking on pavements in London I have to dodge a flying cyclist every > few hundred yards. Just a walk from place to work to sandwich bar can > see me dodging a dozen or more pavement cyclists. Even more galling > because there's a cycle lane on the pavement bu the cyclists choose not > to use them. I've not had to dodge a single car in the last twelve > months. > > There are also "Give Way" markings for cyclists which are use whenever > the cycle lane crosses the pavement. Would you like to guess how many > cyclists obey those markings? What I have often wondered about those multitude of give way markers on cycle routes is who the cyclist is supposed to give way to. The complexity of some of them, (where there are pedestrians and traffic at a junction) is so great that it is far easier to just use the road, and its safer.
From: Peter Grange on 27 Nov 2009 10:18
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:37:18 -0000, "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message >news:1j9ueyx.1mu5i2w1uedkqdN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... >> Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't recall being knocked over on the pavement by a motorist, but a >>> cyclist has managed to do this. >> >> Walking on pavements in London I have to dodge a flying cyclist every >> few hundred yards. Just a walk from place to work to sandwich bar can >> see me dodging a dozen or more pavement cyclists. Even more galling >> because there's a cycle lane on the pavement bu the cyclists choose not >> to use them. I've not had to dodge a single car in the last twelve >> months. >> >> There are also "Give Way" markings for cyclists which are use whenever >> the cycle lane crosses the pavement. Would you like to guess how many >> cyclists obey those markings? > >What I have often wondered about those multitude of give way markers on >cycle routes is who the cyclist is supposed to give way to. The complexity >of some of them, (where there are pedestrians and traffic at a junction) is >so great that it is far easier to just use the road, and its safer. > Which is one of my objections to most shared-pavement cycle lanes. The cyclist is expected to stop and give way at every side turning off the road to which the cycle lane is parallel. In some cases this means a stop every few yards, whereas on the road the cyclist, along with the motorised traffic, has right-of-way over traffic joining from the side road. This makes using the cycle lane for commuting, or any other reason where time matters, a no-no, and puts the cyclist at risk at each crossing point. There would be an uproar if the priorities were reversed for motorised traffic, where safety would doubtless be raised as an issue. -- Pete |