From: Derek Geldard on
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:50:41 +0000, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:


>Fool! We are talking about a global issue here, not a London smog
>problem. CO2 is colourless, as are many other Greenhouse gasses.
>Particulates are part of the problem, and is probably the most easy
>part of the whole problem to solve. Britain has certainly done much
>to reduce particulates in London over the past 50 or 60 years.

So, a classical Gass no less.

Derek
From: DavidR on
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote
> DavidR <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> wrote:
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote
>> > DavidR <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> wrote:
>> >> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote
>> >> > MasonS(a)BP.com <MasonS(a)BP.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Look at the advert at the bottom right of this page.
>> >> >> How much would the driver of this car pay?
>> >> >> Should he be allowed on the roads having paid no VED?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zmotormouth.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > That's the car that emits less CO2 than the equivalent number of
>> >> > cyclists you mean?
>> >>
>> >> Yep, all these cars carrying 5 people all in suspended animation are
>> >> common
>> >> as muck round these parts.
>> >
>> > I see that logic still escapes the average cyclist.
>>
>> and reality escapes Steve Firth.
>
> What's "real" about sticking your head in the sand as you have been?

So you're tellling me that Fiestas are regularly to be seen carrying 5
people that have managed to stop all bodily functions? Ah well, I stand
corrected.

> Still good to see you hypocritically resorting to ad hominem. Makes a
> change from tu quoque, I suppose.

Did you have some particularly good bottles last night?


From: DavidR on
"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> DavidR wrote:
>> "Strangely Composed" <here(a)there.nowhere> wrote
>>> If you're going to quibble... DavidR said:
>>>> "Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> In article <hfe63g$6ql$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> While out on my bike today, I was thinking to myself, I wonder
>>>>>> what the vehicle emissions are on my bikes and what the VED would
>>>>>> be if there was any. I came to the conclusion that the emissions
>>>>>> are nil and the VED would
>>>>>> be zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you're a clueless cyclist. I'll give you a lesson.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you cycle, you exert energy over and above that of a person
>>>>> who is driving a car or walking.
>>>>
>>>> Cycling does not require more energy than walking.
>>>>
>>> Even if you assume cycling at walking pace the cyclist still has to
>>> move the mass of the bike as well as him/herself, which will take
>>> more energy. There is also additional energy required to overcome the
>>> friction
>>> inherent in the mechanisms of the cycle.
>>>
>>> As cyclists tend to move faster than walkers other factors such as
>>> overcoming wind resistance and kinetic energy conversion.
>>
>> Oh, really? When I get on a bike I somehow make do with the same
>> engine as when I walk yet manage to go further & faster. In
>> accordance with Newton's laws it suggests the machine is more
>> efficient. Perhaps you know otherwise?
>
> Typical cyclists bollox.
>
> To compare cyclists to walkers is not a scientific comparison. Walkers
> proceed at approx 4 mph, cyclists at 12 mph. Cyclists could not sustain
> such a low speed, walkers could not sustain such a high speed without
> running.

You can't think of any scientific measure other than comparing speed? You
miss your calling as a science adviser to the shower that claim to be the
Government.



From: DavidR on
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote
>
> Right. We're no "cleaner" than we were in the '50s, when we used to get
> thick polluted fogs in London regularly, largely caused by the widespread
> burning of fossil fuels for power, heating, public transport...

Don't get confused (as the media does) by the distinction between toxic
pollutants and CO2.


From: Happi Monday on
mileburner wrote:

> Maybe not, I am living in cuckoo land :-)

We had noticed (I had, anyway)