From: MasonS on
On 10 Dec, 16:11, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Adrian" <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7ocjv8F3p4ejsU4(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> > "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> > like they were saying:
>
> >>>>> Have you ever taken cash for a job and not declared it?
>
> >>>> Never.
>
> >>> LIAR! Jesus, in your business and you say never - what a total fuckwit!
>
> >> He has to say that. Anything else would be admitting to being a
> >> hypocrite.
>
> > Worse than that, anything less would an open invitation to HMC&R to come
> > knocking on his door...
>
> Which is why he got so upset when this was first suggested. Thing is if TC
> is going to spout off about how much tax he pays where others don't, he is
> going to have others point out that they pay tax, where he does not.
>
> Sadly, he is too thick to see it :-(

I have been a house owner for 27 years and apart from people like
Dynorod who are on an insurance contract, every single tradesman has
asked for a cash or part cash sum as part of the bill. Last job was
£5000 for windows, doors and porch. Only the windows had to go through
the books, so the majority was paid in cash. Wonder why?

--
Simon Mason
From: JNugent on
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:

> I have been a house owner for 27 years and apart from people like
> Dynorod who are on an insurance contract, every single tradesman has
> asked for a cash or part cash sum as part of the bill. Last job was
> �5000 for windows, doors and porch. Only the windows had to go through
> the books, so the majority was paid in cash. Wonder why?

<shrug>

Because you were happy to collude in order to get a lower bill and evade part
or all of your VAT liability?
From: Adrian on
JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> I have been a house owner for 27 years and apart from people like
>> Dynorod who are on an insurance contract, every single tradesman has
>> asked for a cash or part cash sum as part of the bill. Last job was
>> £5000 for windows, doors and porch. Only the windows had to go through
>> the books, so the majority was paid in cash. Wonder why?

> <shrug>
>
> Because you were happy to collude in order to get a lower bill and evade
> part or all of your VAT liability?

It's not HIS vat liability...

If the trader is not vat registered, there's no onus on him to pay vat.
The requirement is for the trader to collect vat from all his invoices if
he's registered.
From: mileburner on

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ocp0iF3p4ejsU8(a)mid.individual.net...

>> Because you were happy to collude in order to get a lower bill and evade
>> part or all of your VAT liability?
>
> It's not HIS vat liability...
>
> If the trader is not vat registered, there's no onus on him to pay vat.
> The requirement is for the trader to collect vat from all his invoices if
> he's registered.

Indeed.

There is no colluding. The liability is with the VAT registered trader to
charge VAT to the customer and ensure that this is declared to HMRC, even if
the customer pays cash, even if the trader will only take cash or even if
the customer demands to pay cash. Cash is perfectly legal. But the trader
must declare it.

The same principle applies to personal taxation and declaring any cash as
income. Failure to declare the income has nothing to do with the customer by
paying cash but responsibility lies entirely with the trader to declare it.

Cash always makes them smile, and cash will get you a better deal. They
should still issue a receipt for cash but often they won't "because you paid
cash". Why is that I wonder?...

....Because they are thieving tax evading fiddlers.




From: MasonS on
On 10 Dec, 17:21, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> >> I have been a house owner for 27 years and apart from people like
> >> Dynorod who are on an insurance contract, every single tradesman has
> >> asked for  a cash or part cash sum as part of the bill. Last job was
> >> £5000 for windows, doors and porch. Only the windows had to go through
> >> the books, so the majority was paid in cash. Wonder why?
> > <shrug>
>
> > Because you were happy to collude in order to get a lower bill and evade
> > part or all of your VAT liability?
>
> It's not HIS vat liability...
>
> If the trader is not vat registered, there's no onus on him to pay vat.
> The requirement is for the trader to collect vat from all his invoices if
> he's registered.

I assumed they were all like the Medway Highwayman and thus they would
have driven to the bank soon after and deposited their cash in their
business bank accounts of course. It's bog all to do with me what they
do with it, I'm not their accountant and FWIW I have *never* asked for
a cash discount. I have been given a quote for a job and when I have
come to pay they ask *me* for cash.

I don't care if it is a cheque or cash, it all comes out of my bank
in the long run. If they fiddle their tax returns it's on their
conscience, not mine. I am on PAYE as an employee, so all I know is I
pay my full whack for the roads unlike these freeloading tax fiddling
cash in the back pocket merchants that I've dealt with.

--
Simon Mason