From: The Medway Handyman on 11 Dec 2009 20:39
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:27:50 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Phil W Lee wrote:
>>> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> considered Thu, 10 Dec
>>> 2009 19:36:18 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:16:40 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>>>> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> mileburner wrote:
>>>>>> MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:
>>>>>>> I stand corrected, he just laughed at my car and clothes then,
>>>>>>> my apologies.
>>>>>> It is better to be laughed at for you car and clothes, than to be
>>>>>> laughed at for your lack of ability to comprehend the tax system,
>>>>>> your hypocrisy, you poor attitude to other road users and your
>>>>>> vile postings.
>>>>> So, suggesting you pay your way counts as a 'vile' posting does
>>>> "The only good cyclist is a dead cyclist" does.
>>>>> I suppose it does. You are so adverse to putting your hands in
>>>>> your pocket the very though must be vile.
>>>> More bollocks.
>>>>> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
>>> Best to put it in the killfile I reckon.
>>> It's impervious to reason or logic, and blind to any facts.
>>> I think it will make a good mate for the J troll, although I must
>>> admit it worries me what they might produce.
>> Resorting to insults again, because you can't justify being a
>> sponging freeloader?
> So, if someone suggests you don't pay all the taxes the government
> requires that's libel, but according to you another person who does
> pay all such taxes is a sponging freeloader.
Oh FFS. It's like trying to explain quantam physics to a child.
The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example reveals your
stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any SPECIFIC taxes to use the
road and therfore are sponging freeloaders. If you have trouble with that
concept show me your cycling tax disc.
Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
Q. Why don't they put pockets in lycra cycling shorts?
A. Because cyclists never put their hands in their pockets.
From: mileburner on 12 Dec 2009 05:42
"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example reveals
> your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any SPECIFIC taxes to use
> the road and therfore are sponging freeloaders. If you have trouble with
> that concept show me your cycling tax disc.
I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay their
dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, but they do not
need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the road.
Albeit very slowly, TC is starting to realise the truth of the matter.
From: mileburner on 12 Dec 2009 08:02
"JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
> mileburner wrote:
>> Perhaps it might be a good idea to have a tax specifically for
>> self-employed tradesmen, to take into account (at least in part) the cash
>> they fail to declare.
> Such a tax exists.
> It is known as Class 4 National "Insurance" "contributions".
> It doesn't insure the the earner against anything and it isn't a
> contribution (in the sense of being voluntarily given - it's compulsory).
This is the self-employed's equivalent of employer/employee Class 1 NI
contribitions. Employed people are far less able to dodge *their* tax as
they would need to collude with their employer and take undeclared cash as
wages. Self-empolyed people dodge this tax every time they accept cash and
fail to declare it. This is because it is a tax on their declared profit. It
is (supposedly) their contribution toward the healthcare and benefits system
(which includes the state pension). While paying it may not alter their
entitlement to it later, it is still their contribution to the provision of
> Every self-employed earner under state pension age is obliged to pay the
> Class 4 tax irrespective of their intentions or record of "fiddling" tax.
> It is paid to the Revenue as a surcharge on income tax.
But it is a tax on profit (like income tax is). And if they are fiddling
their income tax, by failing to declare income, they are also fiddling their
Class 4 NI.
The only tax they are unable to fiddle (so long as they register as
self-employed is Class 2 NI contributions) which *is* a tax purely for the
self-employed and bears no relation to income *or* profit. Paying it does
however build entitlement to state pension, but does not pay *for* the state
pension. However at �2.40 per week, it would need to increase at least 100
fold to make much impact on self-employed tax fiddlers.
Class 2 NI in respect of state pension, is a bit like VED in respect of
using motor vehicles using the roads, paying it does not fund the service,
but it allows entitlement to it.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 12 Dec 2009 08:08
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:09:33 -0800 (PST), webreader
>Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these cyclists.
>Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration unlike
because if you do not cause pollution and rarely kill people it seems
you can do as you like :-(
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 12 Dec 2009 08:10
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:26:25 +0000, David Hansen
>That's beside the point. Some people imply (and many believe them)
>that something wrongly called road tax is used to pay for roads.
Taxes by definition are not hypothecated.
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.