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From: Adrian on 13 Dec 2009 05:30 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Oh FFS. It's like trying to explain quantam physics to a child. To be fair, if you don't even know the name of the concept, you're unlikely to be explaining it very well...
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 05:49 mileburner wrote: > The Medway Handyman wrote: >> mileburner wrote: >>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>> message news:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >>>> >>>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example >>>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any >>>> SPECIFIC taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging >>>> freeloaders. If you have trouble with that concept show me your >>>> cycling tax disc. >>> >>> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay >>> their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, >>> but they do not need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the >>> road. >> >> Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. However >> much you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a specific tax to >> use the roads. Note 'specific'. > > I don't think that anyone has questioned that. > > And what has also been pointed out (which you clearly fail to grasp), > is that no-one else pays a tax to "specifically" to use the roads > either. > VED (or "road tax") is not a tax to allow you to use the road. Let me try & explain in terms you will understand; Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. Janet drives her new car on private land. Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod explain to Janet about tax discs. Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & Insurance Certificate and lots of pennies. See Janet's new tax disc. Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. See John dressing in florescent lycra. See John using his bicycle on the public roads. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 05:52 mileburner wrote: > Halmyre wrote: >>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would >>> be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of paper from >>> the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for >>> you? >> >> Why would/should bicycles be in band A? (Answers of "because I'm a >> cyclist and say so", accompanied by hysterics and foot-stamping, are >> not acceptable). > > Zero vehicle emmissions. VED is based on vehicle emmisions. And Zero > is considerably less than required to be in band B > >>> >>> I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the >>> road. >>> >> Van drivers don't do respect. Van drivers wouldn't give respect to a >> hearse if it was carrying their dear old mother to her final resting >> place. > > If they had the intelligence to be able to respect, they would not be > driving vans :-( No, they would be trying to run a business from a puch bike & trailer..... -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: Keitht on 13 Dec 2009 06:11 The Medway Handyman wrote: > mileburner wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >> message news:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example >>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any SPECIFIC >>> taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging freeloaders. If you >>> have trouble with that concept show me your cycling tax disc. >> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay >> their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, but >> they do not need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the road. > > Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. However much > you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a specific tax to use the roads. > Note 'specific'. > Nor do you. Even your coveted 'tax disc' is only part of a collection of items that need to be gathered prior to using a car on the road. Without all of them the car shouldn't be in the road. But none of them alone give specific permission to drive on public roads. Remember that bit about endorsements? You need the set or you get penalised but still not one allows you to drive on public roads by itself. Drivers do not pay a specific tax to be able to take their vehicle on the road despite one of them known ( but not legally) as road tax. The excise is on the vehicle - not road use of the vehicle. The excise varies but not due to road use, only what comes out the rear end. Maybe we should put it on petrol instead - then you might have a case but until then . . . -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
From: Keitht on 13 Dec 2009 06:14
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > > Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would > be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of paper from the > Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for you? I > wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. > Certainly work wonders for the unemployment figures. All them civil(?) servants needed to process no-value road levies. -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle |