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From: mileburner on 13 Dec 2009 06:43 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:aF3Vm.14784$Ym4.14441(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. > Janet drives her new car on private land. > Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod explain > to Janet about tax discs. > Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & Insurance > Certificate and lots of pennies. > See Janet's new tax disc. > Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. This is the point, Janet may drive *her new car* on the road. The tax applies to *the vehicle*, not the driver. > John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. > See John dressing in florescent lycra. > See John using his bicycle on the public roads. Either John or Janet may use the roads in whatever vehicle they choose so long as they have the required documentation for that class of vehicle. But if you still do not understand that by now, there really is no hope. Haven't you got some shelves to put up or something?
From: mileburner on 13 Dec 2009 06:45 "Keitht" <KeithT> wrote in message news:75CdndNYabh3VrnWnZ2dnUVZ8kydnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> > Nor do you. > Even your coveted 'tax disc' is only part of a collection of items that > need to be gathered prior to using a car on the road. Without all of them > the car shouldn't be in the road. But none of them alone give specific > permission to drive on public roads. > Remember that bit about endorsements? > You need the set or you get penalised but still not one allows you to > drive on public roads by itself. > Drivers do not pay a specific tax to be able to take their vehicle on the > road despite one of them known ( but not legally) as road tax. > The excise is on the vehicle - not road use of the vehicle. > The excise varies but not due to road use, only what comes out the rear > end. Maybe we should put it on petrol instead - then you might have a case > but until then . . . Even then he would still not have a case because the tax on fuel is for the use of fuel on the road, not for use of the road.
From: mileburner on 13 Dec 2009 06:48 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:SH3Vm.14785$Ym4.14761(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > mileburner wrote: >> Halmyre wrote: >>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would >>>> be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of paper from >>>> the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for >>>> you? >>> >>> Why would/should bicycles be in band A? (Answers of "because I'm a >>> cyclist and say so", accompanied by hysterics and foot-stamping, are >>> not acceptable). >> >> Zero vehicle emmissions. VED is based on vehicle emmisions. And Zero >> is considerably less than required to be in band B >> >>>> >>>> I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the >>>> road. >>>> >>> Van drivers don't do respect. Van drivers wouldn't give respect to a >>> hearse if it was carrying their dear old mother to her final resting >>> place. >> >> If they had the intelligence to be able to respect, they would not be >> driving vans :-( > > No, they would be trying to run a business from a puch bike & trailer..... I was thinking of alternative employment, rather than the same employment without a van to do it with.
From: MasonS on 13 Dec 2009 07:08 On 13 Dec, 10:49, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > mileburner wrote: > > The Medway Handyman wrote: > >> mileburner wrote: > >>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > >>> messagenews:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > > >>>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example > >>>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any > >>>> SPECIFIC taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging > >>>> freeloaders. If you have trouble with that concept show me your > >>>> cycling tax disc. > > >>> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay > >>> their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, > >>> but they do not need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the > >>> road. > > >> Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. However > >> much you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a specific tax to > >> use the roads. Note 'specific'. > > > I don't think that anyone has questioned that. > > > And what has also been pointed out (which you clearly fail to grasp), > > is that no-one else pays a tax to "specifically" to use the roads > > either. > > VED (or "road tax") is not a tax to allow you to use the road. > > Let me try & explain in terms you will understand; > > Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. > Janet drives her new car on private land. > Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod explain > to Janet about tax discs. > Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & Insurance > Certificate and lots of pennies. > See Janet's new tax disc. > Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. > > John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. > See John dressing in florescent lycra. > See John using his bicycle on the public roads. > > -- > Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - See Sarah. See Sarah's horse Sarah wants to ride on the road to go and visit Susan See Sarah ride on the road See Timmy Timmy wants to see his friend Bobby in Rose Cottage down the lane. See Timmy walk on the road. See Lucy Lucy is riding her Barbie trike down the cul-de-sac See Nasty Man Nasty Man is shouting at Lucy "Pay no money for a paper circle or get off my road" Lucy sees Nasty Man and asks where she can get a paper circle Nasty Man is beaten by Little Lucy - the paper circle is only a pretend one in Nasty Man's pretend world. -- Simon Mason
From: MasonS on 13 Dec 2009 07:17
On 13 Dec, 00:24, Judith M Smith <judithmsm...(a)live.co.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:44:03 +0000, Peter Grange > > > > > > <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:02:12 +0000, Judith M Smith > ><judithmsm...(a)live.co.uk> wrote: > > >>On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:06:45 +0000, Peter Grange > >><pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:52:52 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >>><davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >><snip> > > >>>>Even better, HMRC should insist you cyclists pay your way. > > >>>Well, why don't you put your stupid proposals to them then insead of > >>>looking like a prat here. Post your reply, I'm sure all cyclists would > >>>be interested to hear what they said. > > >>I have written with my suggestions and my MP is very interested - they > >>will be taken up with the DfT: > > >>All cyclists over 16 who wish to ride on public roads must take and > >>pass a written test based on the Highway Code and basic cycle > >>maintenance; passing the test entitles them to a cycle licence and > >>gives them a cyclist registration number. > > >>Cyclists over the age of 16 must not ride on public roads unless they > >>possess a cycle licence. > > >>Cyclists over the age of 16 must not ride on public roads unless they > >>possess third party liability insurance. > > >>Cyclists over the age of 16 must only ride cycles which conform to > >>some required standards when on public roads > > >>Cyclists over the age of 16 must not ride on public roads unless they > >>wear a hi-viz outer garment (or slip on vest) on the back of which is > >>clearly displayed their cyclist registration number. > > >>The cycles of habitual cycling law breakers will be confiscated and > >>crushed. > > >>(With many thanks to KeithT for the ideas) > > >And you have every right to do that, but I repeat, why don't you put > >your stupid proposals to them instead of posting like a prat here. > > I am sorry - I thought that cyclists may be interested in ideas which > may affect their future. > > Is this not the case?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes, but since none of these proposals is ever going to be made law - we have no interest. -- Simon Mason |