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From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 11:03 MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 13 Dec, 10:49, "The Medway Handyman" > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> mileburner wrote: >>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>> mileburner wrote: >>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>>>> messagenews:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >> >>>>>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example >>>>>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any >>>>>> SPECIFIC taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging >>>>>> freeloaders. If you have trouble with that concept show me your >>>>>> cycling tax disc. >> >>>>> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay >>>>> their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, >>>>> but they do not need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the >>>>> road. >> >>>> Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. >>>> However much you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a >>>> specific tax to use the roads. Note 'specific'. >> >>> I don't think that anyone has questioned that. >> >>> And what has also been pointed out (which you clearly fail to >>> grasp), is that no-one else pays a tax to "specifically" to use the >>> roads either. >>> VED (or "road tax") is not a tax to allow you to use the road. >> >> Let me try & explain in terms you will understand; >> >> Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. >> Janet drives her new car on private land. >> Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod >> explain to Janet about tax discs. >> Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & Insurance >> Certificate and lots of pennies. >> See Janet's new tax disc. >> Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. >> >> John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. >> See John dressing in florescent lycra. >> See John using his bicycle on the public roads. >> >> -- >> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > See Sarah. > See Sarah's horse > Sarah wants to ride on the road to go and visit Susan > See Sarah ride on the road > > See Timmy > Timmy wants to see his friend Bobby in Rose Cottage down the lane. > See Timmy walk on the road. > > See Lucy > Lucy is riding her Barbie trike down the cul-de-sac > See Nasty Man > Nasty Man is shouting at Lucy > "Pay no money for a paper circle or get off my road" > Lucy sees Nasty Man and asks where she can get a paper circle > Nasty Man is beaten by Little Lucy - the paper circle is only a > pretend one in Nasty Man's pretend world. Janet & John see Simple Simon. They call him Simple Simon because he's a bit thick. Simple Simon thinks horses are vehicles! Simple Simon thinks shoes are vehicles! Simple Simon thinks children's toys are vehicles! See Janet & John laugh at Simple Simon for making a prat out of himself again. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 11:07 mileburner wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > message news:aF3Vm.14784$Ym4.14441(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > >> Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. >> Janet drives her new car on private land. >> Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod >> explain to Janet about tax discs. >> Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & >> Insurance Certificate and lots of pennies. >> See Janet's new tax disc. >> Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. > > This is the point, Janet may drive *her new car* on the road. The tax > applies to *the vehicle*, not the driver. > >> John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. >> See John dressing in florescent lycra. >> See John using his bicycle on the public roads. > > Either John or Janet may use the roads in whatever vehicle they > choose so long as they have the required documentation for that class > of vehicle. The documentation they have paid for you mean. Note 'paid for'. > > But if you still do not understand that by now, there really is no > hope. You can use a motor vehicle on private land as much as you like. As soon as its used on a public road you have to pay for a tax disc. But if you still do not understand that by now, there really is no hope > Haven't you got some shelves to put up or something? Haven't you got some pink lycra to rinse out? -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 11:11 MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 13 Dec, 12:55, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: >>> On 13 Dec, 12:39, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Mas...(a)BP.com" <Mas...(a)BP.com> gurgled happily, sounding much >>>> like they were saying: >> >>>>> The Medway Highwayman may be interested to know that *even more* >>>>> cars won't be paying for the roads next year. >>>>> More freeloading drivers> >>>> Hardly "freeloading". >> >>>> Those rates are for the first year of a brand new car. >> >>>> Even if you buy the very cheapest new car on the market, under the >>>> scrappage scheme, you've just contributed 700 in VAT to the >>>> exchequer - plus 55 in a "first registration fee". >> >>>> And, yes, the ludicrous scrappage scheme does mean that the >>>> government's made a slight loss on that trasnaction, since there's >>>> 1000 come from the exchequer. But there's literally only two >>>> models of car on the market that applies to - the very base spec >>>> versions of the 800cc Chevrolet Matiz & 1.0 Kia Picanto. >>> The Medway Highwayman doesn't count VAT and taxes that everyone pays >>> as "paying for the roads". It's all down to the VED paid and the >>> little paper disc to him, so in his mind, there are even more >>> drivers not paying VED, which puts them in the same freeloading >>> bracket as cyclists who also pay no VED. >> >> I rather suspect that he also counts the 1000+ (that's a low >> estimate) per annum of duty (etc) on fuel he uses in his van as >> something to do with paying for the use of roads.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Like I said before, which he conveniently ignored. A multi millionaire > cyclist could pay more in VAT on his new yacht than the Medway > Highwayman will ever pay in taxes in his whole life. That's a low > estimate. Side splitting, rib tickling play on words re the Medway Handyman there. Shouldn't try a career in comedy just yet though. A multi millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have to pay a 'specific' fee before being able to use his cycle on a public road though would he? -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: Adrian on 13 Dec 2009 11:18 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > A multi millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have to pay a 'specific' fee > before being able to use his cycle on a public road though would he? If it makes you any happier, perhaps you ought to buy this van - you could then use the roads yourself, for work, without paying any VED or fuel duty. Perfectly legally. http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/80500342.htm
From: MasonS on 13 Dec 2009 11:22
On 13 Dec, 16:03, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > On 13 Dec, 10:49, "The Medway Handyman" > > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> mileburner wrote: > >>> The Medway Handyman wrote: > >>>> mileburner wrote: > >>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > >>>>> messagenews:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > > >>>>>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example > >>>>>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any > >>>>>> SPECIFIC taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging > >>>>>> freeloaders. If you have trouble with that concept show me your > >>>>>> cycling tax disc. > > >>>>> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists pay > >>>>> their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their cars, > >>>>> but they do not need to buy a licence to use their bicycles on the > >>>>> road. > > >>>> Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. > >>>> However much you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a > >>>> specific tax to use the roads. Note 'specific'. > > >>> I don't think that anyone has questioned that. > > >>> And what has also been pointed out (which you clearly fail to > >>> grasp), is that no-one else pays a tax to "specifically" to use the > >>> roads either. > >>> VED (or "road tax") is not a tax to allow you to use the road. > > >> Let me try & explain in terms you will understand; > > >> Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. > >> Janet drives her new car on private land. > >> Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod > >> explain to Janet about tax discs. > >> Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & Insurance > >> Certificate and lots of pennies. > >> See Janet's new tax disc. > >> Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. > > >> John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. > >> See John dressing in florescent lycra. > >> See John using his bicycle on the public roads. > > >> -- > >> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > See Sarah. > > See Sarah's horse > > Sarah wants to ride on the road to go and visit Susan > > See Sarah ride on the road > > > See Timmy > > Timmy wants to see his friend Bobby in Rose Cottage down the lane. > > See Timmy walk on the road. > > > See Lucy > > Lucy is riding her Barbie trike down the cul-de-sac > > See Nasty Man > > Nasty Man is shouting at Lucy > > "Pay no money for a paper circle or get off my road" > > Lucy sees Nasty Man and asks where she can get a paper circle > > Nasty Man is beaten by Little Lucy - the paper circle is only a > > pretend one in Nasty Man's pretend world. > > Janet & John see Simple Simon. > They call him Simple Simon because he's a bit thick. > Simple Simon thinks horses are vehicles! > Simple Simon thinks shoes are vehicles! > Simple Simon thinks children's toys are vehicles! > See Janet & John laugh at Simple Simon for making a prat out of himself > again. > > -- > Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Isn't calling me "Simple Simon" an ad hominen attack? Oh well, it goes with all the other verbal attacks you like to dish out. You can't seem to understand that you don't have to be on or in a motor vehicle to be entitled to use the roads. That's *why* the Highway Code (there's a clue in the title) has sections for pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists as well as motorcyclists and drivers of various classes of motor vehicles. Pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists can freely use the roads (except M-ways and certain other roads) providing they observe the law and follow the HC rules. Drivers of *motor* vehicles, not *human powered* vehicles have to fufill various criteria before they can use the road system. If you don't agree with that, change it through the democratic process, not by talking tripe on a newsgroup which will change *nothing at all*. -- Simon Mason -- Simon Mason |