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From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 18:34 MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > > Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would > be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of paper from the > Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for you? I > wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the inconvenience of admin. I'd suggest a strip on top of the melon helmet, rather like a mohican, showing the number so they can be traced when they frequently ignore traffic rules. You have to earn respect. If you want respect from van drivers, stop acting like a prat. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 18:43 MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 13 Dec, 16:03, "The Medway Handyman" > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: >>> On 13 Dec, 10:49, "The Medway Handyman" >>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> mileburner wrote: >>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>>>> mileburner wrote: >>>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>>>> in messagenews:qvCUm.14434$Ym4.1210(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >> >>>>>>>> The first example was libelous and untrue. The second example >>>>>>>> reveals your stunted intelligence. Cyclists do not pay any >>>>>>>> SPECIFIC taxes to use the road and therfore are sponging >>>>>>>> freeloaders. If you have trouble with that concept show me your >>>>>>>> cycling tax disc. >> >>>>>>> I think what TC is trying say is that he accepts that cyclists >>>>>>> pay their dues like anyone else, and may well pay VED for their >>>>>>> cars, but they do not need to buy a licence to use their >>>>>>> bicycles on the road. >> >>>>>> Don't attempt to think, it is clearly beyond your abilities. >>>>>> However much you attampt to twist it, cyclists don't pay a >>>>>> specific tax to use the roads. Note 'specific'. >> >>>>> I don't think that anyone has questioned that. >> >>>>> And what has also been pointed out (which you clearly fail to >>>>> grasp), is that no-one else pays a tax to "specifically" to use >>>>> the roads either. >>>>> VED (or "road tax") is not a tax to allow you to use the road. >> >>>> Let me try & explain in terms you will understand; >> >>>> Janet buys a new car. See Janet's new car. >>>> Janet drives her new car on private land. >>>> Janet wants to drive her new car on the public roads. See PC Plod >>>> explain to Janet about tax discs. >>>> Janet goes to the Post Office. See Janet carrying the MOT & >>>> Insurance Certificate and lots of pennies. >>>> See Janet's new tax disc. >>>> Janet can now drive her new car on public roads. >> >>>> John buys a new bicycle. See John's new bicycle. >>>> See John dressing in florescent lycra. >>>> See John using his bicycle on the public roads. >> >>>> -- >>>> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> See Sarah. >>> See Sarah's horse >>> Sarah wants to ride on the road to go and visit Susan >>> See Sarah ride on the road >> >>> See Timmy >>> Timmy wants to see his friend Bobby in Rose Cottage down the lane. >>> See Timmy walk on the road. >> >>> See Lucy >>> Lucy is riding her Barbie trike down the cul-de-sac >>> See Nasty Man >>> Nasty Man is shouting at Lucy >>> "Pay no money for a paper circle or get off my road" >>> Lucy sees Nasty Man and asks where she can get a paper circle >>> Nasty Man is beaten by Little Lucy - the paper circle is only a >>> pretend one in Nasty Man's pretend world. >> >> Janet & John see Simple Simon. >> They call him Simple Simon because he's a bit thick. >> Simple Simon thinks horses are vehicles! >> Simple Simon thinks shoes are vehicles! >> Simple Simon thinks children's toys are vehicles! >> See Janet & John laugh at Simple Simon for making a prat out of >> himself again. >> >> -- >> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Isn't calling me "Simple Simon" an ad hominen attack? Oh well, it goes > with all the other verbal attacks you like to dish out. Well, to be honest pal, if your name is Simon and you talk like a prat, you are asking for it aren't you? Look, I've been subjected to so many attacks here from rabid boy racer cyclists I've lost count. I don't care because they are clearly of limited intelligence & imagination, rarely rising beyond the wit of the average ameoba. > You can't seem to understand that you don't have to be on or in a > motor vehicle to be entitled to use the roads. Yes you do. > That's *why* the Highway Code (there's a clue in the title) has > sections for pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists as well as > motorcyclists and drivers of various classes of motor vehicles. But it doesn't cover payment does it fuckwit? > Pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists can freely use the roads > (except M-ways and certain other roads) providing they observe the law > and follow the HC rules. > > Drivers of *motor* vehicles, not *human powered* vehicles have to > fufill various criteria before they can use the road system. I'm glad you admit it at last. A vehicle is a vehicle I'm afraid; "A vehicle (Latin: vehiculum) is a mechanical means of conveyance, a carriage or transport. Most often they are manufactured (e.g. bicycles, cars, motorcycles, trains, ships, boats, and aircraft), " > > If you don't agree with that, change it through the democratic > process, not by talking tripe on a newsgroup which will change > *nothing at all*. No thanks, I'd rather rip it out of wankers like you. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: Peter Grange on 13 Dec 2009 19:38 On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:59:36 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Peter Grange wrote: > >> I was responding to "Cyclists don't pay VED". I am a cyclist, I pay >> VED. The End. > >Not to use your push bike on the road you don't. Fuckwit. That wasn't what you said, fuckwit. "Cyclists don't pay VED" is incorrect. Which SPECIFIC bit of the English language do you have a problem with? -- Pete - The Tax Paying Driving Licence Owning Cyclist
From: Adrian on 14 Dec 2009 02:27 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > But the imaginary millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have a window to > put his tax disc in would he? Ah, so the presence or absence of a "window" is the important detail, is it? That's a large percentage of motorcycles and some cars ruled out, then. > Do try & think before you rant. Well, quite.
From: Adrian on 14 Dec 2009 02:27
"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> 'course, it would still need a valid tax disc on display. > Indeed it would. So if I drove through red traffic lights, on the > pavement or the wrong way up a one way street I could be identified & > prosecuted. Is it the presence or absence of a valid tax disc which enables that, then? |