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From: Keitht on 14 Dec 2009 05:56 The Medway Handyman wrote: > Keitht wrote: > >> The excise varies but not due to road use, only what comes out the >> rear end. > > They should tax what comes out of your rear end. You talk complete shite. > > Ta, sometimes you just know what's coming. Well folks, this is the shallow end of the gene pool . . . -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
From: MasonS on 14 Dec 2009 05:58 On 13 Dec, 22:01, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > [ ... ] If you add on <long list of made-up numbers> and many, > > many other costs to society, the amount of tax taken from the average > > driver does in no way pay for even a half of the entire cost to > > society. The last time I checked it was about 25% of the cost. > > I'll not make too much of your category error there. > > Let it suffice to remark that even on your unsupported figure, it would only > take four drivers to pay the whole of these alleged "costs" to society. > > And that's before you add in the benefits to society. It's my day off and I can't be arsed to find the 25% link, but here is an old Independent article which is more or less the same, although it doesn't go as far as the group which did the research to show that drivers only pay 25% of the true cost to society, Transport 2000 cited here state it is only 50% as I stated in my post. They state. "The costs include, for instance, pounds 15bn in congestion - a CBI estimate - nearly pounds 5bn on deaths and injuries, pounds 400m in policing and pounds 1.5bn lost to the revenue in subsidies to people with company cars. Transport 2000 claims the Treasury's *effective subsidy* to road users is pounds 20bn a year, about pounds 1,000 per car." http://qurl.com/n5hwq -- Simon Mason
From: Keitht on 14 Dec 2009 05:59 The Medway Handyman wrote: > Everything you buy is delivered by a van or lorry. Every service you > recieve in your house is provided by someone in a van -who has paid road > tax. > > yerst, I've just had several hundred kilowatt/hours dropped off by ParcelFarce Waiting for the Amazon special offer on gas and my van load of water. The bloke with the honey wagon is coming around later. Nice to see you've got a good stock of hot air delivered, just a shame it's old and re-used. -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
From: Peter Grange on 14 Dec 2009 06:01 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:52:52 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote: >On 14 Dec, 01:46, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> considered >> Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:34:48 GMT the perfect time to write: >> >> >Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: >> >> >> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would >> >> be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of paper from the >> >> Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for you? I >> >> wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. >> >> >No, not really. �They would have to pay a fee to cover the inconvenience of >> >admin. �I'd suggest a strip on top of the melon helmet, rather like a >> >mohican, �showing the number so they can be traced when they frequently >> >ignore traffic rules. >> >> >You have to earn respect. �If you want respect from van drivers, stop acting >> >like a prat. >> >> You can have compulsory registration of foam hats if you want. >> It's about time that something was done to discourage them. > >A better idea would be a small transfer fixed to the bike frame with a >bar code that shows details of the cyclists usage permit (or you could >call it a riders license) and the CED (cyclists excise duty) payment >also you could incorporate a COI (certificate of inspection) that >would have to be renewed annually by a responsible approved repair and >maintainence facility. Wardens/Police could have barcode readers that >work in a similar fashion to number plate recognition systems already >fitted to police cars. So a barcode reader is going to pick up this small transfer as the cyclist whizzes by? One of the arguments for cycle registration from the loony motorist fringe is that each of the thousands of pedestrians injured by cyclists each year can note the number plate of the errant cyclist. Some chance with your small transfer. When I got hit by a car I foolishly omitted to note the registration number of the car as I passed over the bonnet, so that works well too. > >These measures would go a long way to making cycling safer for all >which is of course what we all want isn't it? > >In time all this will come, via the EU. Oh yes, lots of EU countries have such a scheme. Can't think of one offhand, but I'm sure they do. <bump> oh, back on earth again. -- Pete
From: Peter Grange on 14 Dec 2009 06:02
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:48:18 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Adrian wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled >> happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> >>>>> A multi millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have to pay a 'specific' >>>>> fee before being able to use his cycle on a public road though >>>>> would he? >> >>>> If it makes you any happier, perhaps you ought to buy this van - you >>>> could then use the roads yourself, for work, without paying any VED >>>> or fuel duty. Perfectly legally. >>>> >>>> http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/80500342.htm >> >>> If I lived in France I might. >> >> Depends where in France, but - being in Kent - you wouldn't have very >> much further to travel to collect it than somebody in the North of >> France. >> >>> Are you trying out for idiot of the year? >> >> I'm not the one who doesn't seem to understand the concept of >> importing a vehicle. > >I have no wish to do so. And I have no wish to pay a tax which doesn't exist. -- Pete - The Tax Paying Driving Licence Owning Cyclist |