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From: MasonS on 14 Dec 2009 06:49 On 14 Dec, 11:46, "Mr Benn" <nos...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > <Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote in message > > news:14ed2a3d-b659-473b-8847-3c8e799665d5(a)j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > > On 14 Dec, 09:37, "Mr Benn" <nos...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > >> > So you admit you are a danger to innocent motorists? > > >> He's a danger to himself because he won't take sensible advice.- Hide > >> quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > When you've clocked up 60,000 miles in 10 years on a bike, then you > > can lecture me on safety. > > Even our work's HSE dept has admitted that relying solely on hi-vis is > > a failure. > > You would have to be mad to rely solely on high-visibility clothing on a > bicycle. This is why it is a useful complement to lighting. Anything which > improves safety has to be a good thing. > > Anyway, I can see I'm wasting my time offering you advice. I have never said I don't use hi-vis, but it is cycling specific clothing, not a Navvy's vest. -- Simon Mason
From: NM on 14 Dec 2009 07:16 On 14 Dec, 10:56, Keitht <KeithT> wrote: > The Medway Handyman wrote: > > Keitht wrote: > > >> The excise varies but not due to road use, only what comes out the > >> rear end. > > > They should tax what comes out of your rear end. You talk complete shite. > > Ta, sometimes you just know what's coming. > > Well folks, this is the shallow end of the gene pool . . . > > -- > Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle Must be, I saw you there
From: NM on 14 Dec 2009 07:21 On 14 Dec, 11:01, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:52:52 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> > wrote: > > > > >On 14 Dec, 01:46, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote: > >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> considered > >> Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:34:48 GMT the perfect time to write: > > >> >Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > >> >> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would > >> >> be in VED band A (Fee = £0), got a stamped round bit of paper from the > >> >> Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for you? I > >> >> wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. > > >> >No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the inconvenience of > >> >admin. I'd suggest a strip on top of the melon helmet, rather like a > >> >mohican, showing the number so they can be traced when they frequently > >> >ignore traffic rules. > > >> >You have to earn respect. If you want respect from van drivers, stop acting > >> >like a prat. > > >> You can have compulsory registration of foam hats if you want. > >> It's about time that something was done to discourage them. > > >A better idea would be a small transfer fixed to the bike frame with a > >bar code that shows details of the cyclists usage permit (or you could > >call it a riders license) and the CED (cyclists excise duty) payment > >also you could incorporate a COI (certificate of inspection) that > >would have to be renewed annually by a responsible approved repair and > >maintainence facility. Wardens/Police could have barcode readers that > >work in a similar fashion to number plate recognition systems already > >fitted to police cars. > > So a barcode reader is going to pick up this small transfer as the > cyclist whizzes by? One of the arguments for cycle registration from > the loony motorist fringe is that each of the thousands of pedestrians > injured by cyclists each year can note the number plate of the errant > cyclist. Some chance with your small transfer. When I got hit by a car > I foolishly omitted to note the registration number of the car as I > passed over the bonnet, so that works well too. > > > > >These measures would go a long way to making cycling safer for all > >which is of course what we all want isn't it? > > >In time all this will come, via the EU. > > Oh yes, lots of EU countries have such a scheme. Can't think of one > offhand, but I'm sure they do. > > <bump> oh, back on earth again. > > -- > > Pete That's the problem you can't think. there are those who lobby for legislation on these matters it will only be a matter of time before controls will be introduced on the grounds of safety of course.
From: Halmyre on 14 Dec 2009 08:41 On 12 Dec, 20:33, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Halmyre wrote: > >> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would > >> be in VED band A (Fee = £0), got a stamped round bit of paper from > >> the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for > >> you? > > > Why would/should bicycles be in band A? (Answers of "because I'm a > > cyclist and say so", accompanied by hysterics and foot-stamping, are > > not acceptable). > > Zero vehicle emmissions. VED is based on vehicle emmisions. And Zero is > considerably less than required to be in band B > You see the bold type at the top of this web page? http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 "The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences" As far as I am aware, bicycles don't fall into any of those categories. -- Halmyre
From: MasonS on 14 Dec 2009 08:51
On 14 Dec, 13:41, Halmyre <flashgordonreced...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 12 Dec, 20:33, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Halmyre wrote: > > >> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which would > > >> be in VED band A (Fee = £0), got a stamped round bit of paper from > > >> the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would that do it for > > >> you? > > > > Why would/should bicycles be in band A? (Answers of "because I'm a > > > cyclist and say so", accompanied by hysterics and foot-stamping, are > > > not acceptable). > > > Zero vehicle emmissions. VED is based on vehicle emmisions. And Zero is > > considerably less than required to be in band B > > You see the bold type at the top of this web page? > > http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehic... > > "The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles > and trade licences" > > As far as I am aware, bicycles don't fall into any of those > categories. > > -- > Halmyre "How to Tax Your Vehicle", eh? Double the reason why they don't attract VED then. The Govt doesn't even class them as vehicles. Medway Highwayman *will* be upset. -- Simon Mason |