From: Peter Grange on
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:40:27 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
<davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:
>> On 14 Dec, 15:44, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:15:42 +0000, ChelseaTractorMan
>>>
>>> <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:14:23 +0000, Peter Grange
>>>> <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I was responding to "Cyclists don't pay VED". I am a cyclist, I pay
>>>>> VED. The End.
>>>
>>>> Not the end. VED is charged to car owners, if a car owner happens to
>>>> cycle that does not demonstrate anything at all. Stupid point.
>>>
>>> Not stupid at all. Pedantic maybe, but I'm trying to get through to a
>>> man who wants me to pay a tax that doesn't exist. How stupid is that?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Pete - The Tax Paying Driving Licence Owning Cyclist
>>
>> Not only that, he wants to create a *new tax* that will costs millions
>> in admin and which will charge its recipients precisely nothing.
>
>Who said I wanted to charge cyclists nothing? I want the freeloaders to pay
>their share.

Well that's all right then, because we do, as defined by HMG.

>
>> That's beyond stupid.
>
>
>It never fails to amaze me how cyclists make things up.
From: The Medway Handyman on
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:
> On 14 Dec, 13:41, Halmyre <flashgordonreced...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Dec, 20:33, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Halmyre wrote:
>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which
>>>>> would be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of
>>>>> paper from the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would
>>>>> that do it for you?
>>
>>>> Why would/should bicycles be in band A? (Answers of "because I'm a
>>>> cyclist and say so", accompanied by hysterics and foot-stamping,
>>>> are not acceptable).
>>
>>> Zero vehicle emmissions. VED is based on vehicle emmisions. And
>>> Zero is considerably less than required to be in band B
>>
>> You see the bold type at the top of this web page?
>>
>> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehic...
>>
>> "The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles
>> and trade licences"
>>
>> As far as I am aware, bicycles don't fall into any of those
>> categories.
>>
>> --
>> Halmyre
>
> "How to Tax Your Vehicle", eh?
>
> Double the reason why they don't attract VED then. The Govt doesn't
> even class them as vehicles. Medway Highwayman *will* be upset.

So, in your desperate attempt to avoid admitting you are a freeloader, you
are now trying to claim a push bike isn't a vehicle?


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist


From: The Medway Handyman on
Keitht wrote:
> Adrian wrote:
>
>>
>> A bike MOT would also increase business for local bike shops, of
>> course.
>
>
> And put places like Toys R Us and Argos out of the bike business -
> along with so many others that would fail even if brand new.

The UK's largest toy retailers. Proves that bikes are for kids, not adults.


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist


From: MasonS on
On 14 Dec, 17:48, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:25:57 +0000, Judith M Smith
>
>
>
>
>
> <judithmsm...(a)live.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:17:30 -0800 (PST), "Mas...(a)BP.com"
> ><Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote:
>
> ><snip>
>
> >>Yes, but since none of these proposals is ever going to be made law -
> >>we have no interest.
>
> >Oh really - and you know that how?
>
> >My  MP was certainly interested.
>
> I did invite you to share his/her response some time ago.


I'm sure she was overjoyed at receiving a standard acknowledgement
letter pp'd by the MP's secretary designed to fob off any eccentric
"outraged of Tunbridge Wells" types.
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Simon Mason
From: The Medway Handyman on
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Adrian wrote:
>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled
>>> happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>>>
>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which
>>>>> would be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of
>>>>> paper from the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would
>>>>> that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave
>>>>> me more respect on the road.
>>>
>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the
>>>> inconvenience of admin.
>>>
>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to
>>> others?
>>>
>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice can
>> check they have insurance & trace them when they break traffic laws.
>>
>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an
>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee?
>>
>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it.
>
> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world VAT on
> bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars?

Because its a hell of a lot more innit.


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist