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From: MasonS on 14 Dec 2009 14:10 On 14 Dec, 19:02, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Mas...(a)BP.com" <Mas...(a)BP.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > > >> >> > And put places like Toys R Us and Argos out of the bike business - > >> >> > along with so many others that would fail even if brand new. > >> >> The UK's largest toy retailers. Proves that bikes are for kids, not > >> >> adults. > >> > More ad hominen attacks - yawn. > >> <shrug> > > >> Well, if they ain't vehicles, what are they...? > > Toys apparently. > > So now in Medway Man's crazy mixed up world he wants people to pay tax > > for playing with their toys in the road. Presumbly, I can pay with Bank > > of Toytown money! > > Hmm. I don't really think that the middle of the road is a suitable > location for toys, do you? Surely it's somewhere that's better kept to > sensible vehicles...? > > Like I said, Simon - I'm not sure that suggesting that bikes aren't > vehicles is a particularly sensible tactic... I know they are vehicles. Anyone who knows the HC will understand the difference between the white circular sign with a red border and the same one with Evel Kneivel in it, but if some big butch man in a van wants to call them kid's toys to make himself look clever in front of his mates, then he should realise that's kid's toys don't incur VED. His choice of reasoning, not mine. -- Simon Mason
From: Peter Grange on 14 Dec 2009 14:45 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:53:57 -0800 (PST), "MasonS(a)BP.com" <MasonS(a)BP.com> wrote: >On 14 Dec, 17:48, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:25:57 +0000, Judith M Smith >> >> >> >> >> >> <judithmsm...(a)live.co.uk> wrote: >> >On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:17:30 -0800 (PST), "Mas...(a)BP.com" >> ><Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote: >> >> ><snip> >> >> >>Yes, but since none of these proposals is ever going to be made law - >> >>we have no interest. >> >> >Oh really - and you know that how? >> >> >My �MP was certainly interested. >> >> I did invite you to share his/her response some time ago. > > >I'm sure she was overjoyed at receiving a standard acknowledgement >letter pp'd by the MP's secretary designed to fob off any eccentric >"outraged of Tunbridge Wells" types. How could you say such a thing? I'm sure there are _masses_ of votes to be gained by setting up a new costly infrastructure to address a "problem" most of the population don't see, whilst cutting benefits spending with the other hand... <bump> back on earth again.
From: Peter Grange on 14 Dec 2009 14:51 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:54:24 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Peter Grange wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" >> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Adrian wrote: >>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled >>>> happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>> >>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which >>>>>> would be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of >>>>>> paper from the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would >>>>>> that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave >>>>>> me more respect on the road. >>>> >>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the >>>>> inconvenience of admin. >>>> >>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to >>>> others? >>>> >>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice can >>> check they have insurance & trace them when they break traffic laws. >>> >>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an >>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee? >>> >>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it. >> >> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world VAT on >> bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars? > >Because its a hell of a lot more innit. So what was your argument against the millionaire paying more tax then?
From: The Medway Handyman on 14 Dec 2009 15:30 Peter Grange wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:53:57 -0800 (PST), "MasonS(a)BP.com" > <MasonS(a)BP.com> wrote: > >> On 14 Dec, 17:48, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:25:57 +0000, Judith M Smith >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <judithmsm...(a)live.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:17:30 -0800 (PST), "Mas...(a)BP.com" >>>> <Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote: >>> >>>> <snip> >>> >>>>> Yes, but since none of these proposals is ever going to be made >>>>> law - we have no interest. >>> >>>> Oh really - and you know that how? >>> >>>> My MP was certainly interested. >>> >>> I did invite you to share his/her response some time ago. >> >> >> I'm sure she was overjoyed at receiving a standard acknowledgement >> letter pp'd by the MP's secretary designed to fob off any eccentric >> "outraged of Tunbridge Wells" types. > > How could you say such a thing? I'm sure there are _masses_ of votes > to be gained by setting up a new costly infrastructure to address a > "problem" most of the population don't see, whilst cutting benefits > spending with the other hand... > > <bump> back on earth again. I think you would be unpleasanty surprised by the huge number of motorists who simply detest cyclists. Don't suppose the thought had ever occurred to you. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 14 Dec 2009 15:31
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 14 Dec, 18:02, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "Mas...(a)BP.com" <Mas...(a)BP.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: >> >>>>> And put places like Toys R Us and Argos out of the bike business - >>>>> along with so many others that would fail even if brand new. >>>> The UK's largest toy retailers. Proves that bikes are for kids, not >>>> adults. >>> More ad hominen attacks - yawn. >> >> <shrug> >> >> Well, if they ain't vehicles, what are they...? > > Toys apparently. > So now in Medway Man's crazy mixed up world he wants people to pay tax > for playing with their toys in the road. > Presumbly, I can pay with Bank of Toytown money! More twists than an episode of Taggart. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |