From: The Medway Handyman on
Adrian wrote:
> "MasonS(a)BP.com" <MasonS(a)BP.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>>>>>> And put places like Toys R Us and Argos out of the bike business
>>>>>> - along with so many others that would fail even if brand new.
>
>>>>> The UK's largest toy retailers. Proves that bikes are for kids,
>>>>> not adults.
>
>>>> More ad hominen attacks - yawn.
>
>>> <shrug>
>>>
>>> Well, if they ain't vehicles, what are they...?
>
>> Toys apparently.
>> So now in Medway Man's crazy mixed up world he wants people to pay
>> tax for playing with their toys in the road. Presumbly, I can pay
>> with Bank of Toytown money!
>
> Hmm. I don't really think that the middle of the road is a suitable
> location for toys, do you? Surely it's somewhere that's better kept to
> sensible vehicles...?
>
> Like I said, Simon - I'm not sure that suggesting that bikes aren't
> vehicles is a particularly sensible tactic...

Then again, Simon isn't a particularly sensible bloke is he? Didn't he
suggest I run my business from a push bike?


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist


From: The Medway Handyman on
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:
> On 14 Dec, 17:54, "The Medway Handyman"
> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Peter Grange wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> Adrian wrote:
>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled
>>>>> happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>>
>>>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which
>>>>>>> would be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of
>>>>>>> paper from the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would
>>>>>>> that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave
>>>>>>> me more respect on the road.
>>
>>>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the
>>>>>> inconvenience of admin.
>>
>>>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to
>>>>> others?
>>
>>>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice can
>>>> check they have insurance & trace them when they break traffic
>>>> laws.
>>
>>>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an
>>>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee?
>>
>>>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it.
>>
>>> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world VAT
>>> on bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars?
>>
>> Because its a hell of a lot more innit.
>>
>> --
>> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Ah, we are making progress now. So the millionaire cyclist who pay for
> his new yacht and incurs more in VAT than you will earn in your entire
> life, is more entitled to use the road than you?

No idiot boy, he pays the same fee for using the road as I do.

>
> Game, set and match.

Only in your deranged mind.


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist


From: The Medway Handyman on
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:54:24 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Peter Grange wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
>>> <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adrian wrote:
>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled
>>>>> happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, which
>>>>>>> would be in VED band A (Fee = �0), got a stamped round bit of
>>>>>>> paper from the Post Office and stuck it on their frames? Would
>>>>>>> that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if it made van drivers gave
>>>>>>> me more respect on the road.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the
>>>>>> inconvenience of admin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to
>>>>> others?
>>>>>
>>>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice can
>>>> check they have insurance & trace them when they break traffic
>>>> laws.
>>>>
>>>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an
>>>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee?
>>>>
>>>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it.
>>>
>>> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world VAT
>>> on bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars?
>>
>> Because its a hell of a lot more innit.
>
> So what was your argument against the millionaire paying more tax
> then?

The percentage of VAT is the same, but 15% on a �100 push bike and 15% on a
�10,000 car are vastly different sums of money.

I didn't have an argument about millionaire cyclists.


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist


From: Adrian on
"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

>> Like I said, Simon - I'm not sure that suggesting that bikes aren't
>> vehicles is a particularly sensible tactic...

> Then again, Simon isn't a particularly sensible bloke is he? Didn't he
> suggest I run my business from a push bike?

Well, quite. You need a van, clearly.

Ah, if only there was such a thing as a van that you could use but
wouldn't require you to pay VED, fuel duty or VAT on it's purchase, eh?

Oh, wait. There is. But you prefer to voluntarily pay those, don't you?
<shrug> Your choice.
From: The Medway Handyman on
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote:
> On 14 Dec, 18:03, "The Medway Handyman"
> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote:
>>> On 14 Dec, 09:37, "Mr Benn" <nos...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> So you admit you are a danger to innocent motorists?
>>
>>>> He's a danger to himself because he won't take sensible advice.-
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>>
>>> When you've clocked up 60,000 miles in 10 years on a bike, then you
>>> can lecture me on safety.
>>
>> I've clocked up 40,000 miles a year for 20 years in a car.
>>
>> What aspect of safety did you want a lecture on? Red lights? One way
>> streets? Pavements?
>>
>> --
>> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
>
> Never ride on pavements.
> No one way streets around here.
> Never go through red lights.
>
> Sorry I don't fit your narrow minded viewpoint.

So you are the only cyclist in existance who never does any of those things?
Don't you find those flying pigs a hazard?

> Do you *always* drive within the speed limit?

Yup, roads too clogged up with push biles to go faster.

> Are all your phone calls hands free?

Yup

> Do you ever park on double yellow lines?

Only with a dispensation purchased from the council

> Are all of your lights working?

Yup [1]

> Is your water bottle topped up?

Water bottle? Ha ha ha!

You mean windsreen washer reservoir?

> Do you use your fog lights as a fashion accessory?

Nope

> Are your brakes and tyres all legal?

Yup [1]

> Do you always signal your intentions?

Yup

> Do you ever mount pavements?

Nope, ruins tyres.

I'll give you a clue. [1] Every year the van has an MOT to check safety.
You need one before you can pay Road Tax.


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Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist