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From: Judith M Smith on 28 Nov 2009 18:10 On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:02:58 -0000, "OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: <snip> > >Probably not - where cycling is commonplace, cycling is safe. I don't know >why, but it seems to be the case. Yep - agree - like on the streets of London? Family and friends have paid tribute to a promising fashion student who died after her bicycle was hit by a bus in central London. Ms Elder, who grew up in Devon, was fatally injured at 11pm on 11 November, three days before her 23rd birthday, when her bicycle was in a collision with a 98 bus at the junction of Southampton Row and Theobald's Road. The tragedy brings the toll of cyclists killed on the capital's roads to 12 this year. (LES 27.11.09) -- Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws. The answer: All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered. Registration number to be clearly vizible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest. Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed. (With thanks to KeithT for the idea)
From: Steve Firth on 28 Nov 2009 19:41 Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:42:54 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) > wrote: > > >Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> >I'd rate my chances as being about as good as those of stopping a > >> >cyclist. > >> Ah, but then you may find yourself drawn into the "relative amount of > >> damage" argument. > > > >No I'd find myself being drawn into the typical cyclists "tu quoque" > >fallacy. > > I didn't attempt to justify either of them being there. It's a simple > comparison between getting hit by a ton of fairly hard steel and a > couple of hundred kilos of steel and squidgy bits. > See previous comment about "tu quoque" it really does draw you like a moth to a candle, doesn't it?
From: Keitht on 29 Nov 2009 05:37 Huge wrote: > On 2009-11-27, Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> Try telling the next motorist parked on the pavement to get his >> hulking great car off the pavement and on the street where it belongs. > > Ah, "tu quoque". The favourite logical fallacy of selfish inconsiderate > cyclists everywhere. > > Nah, it's just complete bollocks to try and make some people feel superior at using a bit of outdated Latin that only a partial meaning of it is latched on to. Once looked at the quote is rendered as meaningless as those who use it. -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
From: Keitht on 29 Nov 2009 05:48 Judith M Smith wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:49:55 +0000, Keitht <KeithT> wrote: > >> Steve Firth wrote: >>> johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: >>> >>>>> There are also "Give Way" markings for cyclists which are use whenever >>>>> the cycle lane crosses the pavement. Would you like to guess how many >>>>> cyclists obey those markings? >>>> None? >>> Give the man a cee-gar. >>> >>> They don't even give way to the trucks that are turning into the >>> industrial estate. Despite there being several large signs telling >>> cyclists to stop and look for traffic before crossing the entrance. >>> >>> Note, it says "Stop", not "Give Way". They don't stop. >>> >>> Apparently if a cyclist were to stop in London for a red light or a stop >>> sign their testicles would drop off. >> That would be the same reason a set of lights was installed at a minor >> crossroads near me -- drivers never seemed to understand 'give way' and >> managed to run in to each other constantly. >> Now they just run the red lights as if they didn't exist and still smash >> in to each other. > > > Yes of course they do. > > Do really think that any one actually believes your outright lies and > exaggerations with such statements. > I'm exaggerating that there is now a set of traffic lights near me that reduces the number of smashes? I'm exaggerating that now there are barriers installed most are bent and folded over due to drivers running red lights and smashing in to other cars? You must try harder than that . > (PS I've had a few people contact me - re your Registration ideas. Any > suggestions as to how to get things moving?) > This is a really old one from you. You tried it months ago and failed -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
From: Steve Firth on 29 Nov 2009 06:03
Keitht <KeithT> wrote: > Steve Firth wrote: > > Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >>> I'd rate my chances as being about as good as those of stopping a > >>> cyclist. > >> Ah, but then you may find yourself drawn into the "relative amount of > >> damage" argument. > > > > No I'd find myself being drawn into the typical cyclists "tu quoque" > > fallacy. > > How come this incorrectly used phrase has become popular all of a sudden? It isn't, it hasn't. HTH. |