From: Partac on

"Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Nov, 08:12, "Partac" <petemac9...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:07e6ca8e-95b6-4d1e-a9f3-0d4ea539bddf(a)g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On 25 Nov, 23:09, webreader <websiterea...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these cyclists.
>> >> Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration unlike
>> >> motorists.
>>
>> >>http://tiny.cc/iOoJY
>>
>> > Probably because the more enlightened among the police realise that
>> > cyclists only do it to escape the serious dangers posed by drivers on
>> > our roads.
>>
>> And where do the pedestrians go to escape the serious dangers posed by
>> cyclists on our pavements?
>
> They get back in their cars and lorries, and go off and kill cyclists,
> as usual.

Are you saying there are no such thing as pedestrians? Sounds like the
classic zealots argument to me - Oh hang on - you're not Doug in disguise,
are you? That's the sort of cobblers he would come out with.


From: mileburner on

"webreader" <websitereader(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Why do the police not do anything about the likes of these cyclists.
> Yet again proof that cyclists get special consideration unlike
> motorists.

I disagree, I have contacted the police concerning drivers stopping past the
stop line at a set of traffic lights in the advanced stop reservoir for
cyclists. They replied that drivers did not always understand what the
advanced stop meant and would not take action.

I also contacted the police concerning a car regularly parked on a shared
cycle/foot path. After speaking to the driver, they explained that the road
was not wide enough and that the car needed to park with two wheels on the
path to allow traffic past, but the driver would leave enough space for
cyclists and pedestrians.

So it seems that low level violations of the law such as drivers not
stopping behind the line at traffic lights and illegal parking, the police
turn a blind eye to along with minor crimes such as pavement cycling.

However, a 17 yo was recently given a FPN in our High Street for cycling on
the pavement. Apparently he had previously been warned and they caught him
again.

So this is not cyclists getting special consideration, this is the law not
being applied when perhaps it should.


From: Steve Firth on
Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:36:52 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
>
> >Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think you'll find a majority
> >> here who believe any lawbreakers should not be punished to the extent
> >> the law provides.
> >
> >So you all differ in your opinion to that of the CTC, which repeatedly
> >states that cycliusts should not be punished to the extent that the law
> >provides? Or are you being disingenuous and simply stating that since
> >the majority of cyclists who kill pedestrians walk free after the event
> >that the situation should continue? Or, is it that you think that the
> >one cyclist, Darren Hall, who served prison time for killing a
> >pedestrian received a just sentence of seven months of which he served
> >less than half?
>
> I mean what I said.

Perhaps you could clarify what you said. Are you proposing that killer
cyclists should face appropriate jail sentences or are you proposing
that the law should be enforced as it has been to-date. In a weak,
ineffective manners which permits cyclists to kill and then walk free?

> Interesting comment about the CTC though, do you have a quote for
> that?

Yes, their "Share_the_Road1.doc" which puts forward the view that it's
OK for cyclists to kill because motorists kill more.

> I'm a member and although I don't read everything they publish,
> I can't recall seeing anything to that effect.

Odd that.

From: Adrian on
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> Interesting comment about the CTC though, do you have a quote for that?

> Yes, their "Share_the_Road1.doc" which puts forward the view that it's
> OK for cyclists to kill because motorists kill more.

Author, D. Bollen.
From: Peter Grange on
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:21:11 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:36:52 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't think you'll find a majority
>> >> here who believe any lawbreakers should not be punished to the extent
>> >> the law provides.
>> >
>> >So you all differ in your opinion to that of the CTC, which repeatedly
>> >states that cycliusts should not be punished to the extent that the law
>> >provides? Or are you being disingenuous and simply stating that since
>> >the majority of cyclists who kill pedestrians walk free after the event
>> >that the situation should continue? Or, is it that you think that the
>> >one cyclist, Darren Hall, who served prison time for killing a
>> >pedestrian received a just sentence of seven months of which he served
>> >less than half?
>>
>> I mean what I said.
>
>Perhaps you could clarify what you said. Are you proposing that killer
>cyclists should face appropriate jail sentences or are you proposing
>that the law should be enforced as it has been to-date. In a weak,
>ineffective manners which permits cyclists to kill and then walk free?
>

As far as I am concerned, if you unlawfully kill someone whilst riding
a bike that is not substantially different from unlawfully killing
someone whilst driving a car. What have I said which makes you think I
believe differently?

>> Interesting comment about the CTC though, do you have a quote for
>> that?
>
>Yes, their "Share_the_Road1.doc" which puts forward the view that it's
>OK for cyclists to kill because motorists kill more.
Thanks for pointing out the doc.
I can't see where it says it's ok for a cyclist to kill someone
though.
>> I'm a member and although I don't read everything they publish,
>> I can't recall seeing anything to that effect.
>
>Odd that.
>
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