From: Steve Firth on
mileburner <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> Are you suggesting that to cause death by dangerous driving there must be an
> intent to drive dangerously?

No, that has a different test. There must a reckless disregard of
driving standards sufficient for the driving to be "dangerous" if there
is not then a lesser offence of "causing death by careless driving" may
be considered. However for an act to be murder there must be criminal
intent.

You're not very good at this, are you?
From: The Medway Handyman on
Steve Firth wrote:
> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> No, it's just that the majority of cyclists are selfish, stupid
>>> bastards. You seem typical of the breed.
>>
>> There goes the unsubstantiated "majority" word again.
>
> The day this becomes a court of law or I get paid to do the research
> I'll provide the statistics. However on a random sample, the majority
> of cyclists I encounter are selfish, stupid bastards. Not to mention
> "holier than thou" and "smug".

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Mr Firth 100%.


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From: The Medway Handyman on
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:25:03 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
>
>> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> Here's something you could try to test the theory. Stop the next
>>>> pavement cyclist that you see and ask them to ride where they
>>>> belong.
>>>
>>> Try telling the next motorist parked on the pavement to get his
>>> hulking great car off the pavement and on the street where it
>>> belongs.
>>
>> When I see a driver driving down the pavement at 25mph I shall tell
>> them off.
>
> Good luck with stopping him.

Wouldn't need to. Cars have registration plates & can be easily identified
if they break the law. Cyclists don't, because they don't pay to use the
roads. They break the law with impunity & get away with it because they
can't be identified.


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From: The Medway Handyman on
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:07:04 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
>
>> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:25:03 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve
>>> Firth) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Here's something you could try to test the theory. Stop the next
>>>>>> pavement cyclist that you see and ask them to ride where they
>>>>>> belong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try telling the next motorist parked on the pavement to get his
>>>>> hulking great car off the pavement and on the street where it
>>>>> belongs.
>>>>
>>>> When I see a driver driving down the pavement at 25mph I shall
>>>> tell them off.
>>>
>>> Good luck with stopping him.
>>
>> I'd rate my chances as being about as good as those of stopping a
>> cyclist.
> Ah, but then you may find yourself drawn into the "relative amount of
> damage" argument.
>
> BTW, I meant to comment last time, 25 mph is pretty impressive for a
> cyclist on the pavement, it's not bad on the road.
>
> Oh, and I must be honest, I saw another pavement cyclist when I went
> for the newspaper this morning. Probably the same one as last time,
> lad about 12.

Precisely. Bikes are for kids not adults.


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From: The Medway Handyman on
Peter Grange wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:42:54 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
>
>> Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'd rate my chances as being about as good as those of stopping a
>>>> cyclist.
>>> Ah, but then you may find yourself drawn into the "relative amount
>>> of damage" argument.
>>
>> No I'd find myself being drawn into the typical cyclists "tu quoque"
>> fallacy.
>
> I didn't attempt to justify either of them being there. It's a simple
> comparison between getting hit by a ton of fairly hard steel and a
> couple of hundred kilos of steel and squidgy bits.

Of course if you are hit by a car you can claim against the drivers
insurance, but not with a cyclist who isn't insured & can't be traced.


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