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From: mileburner on 2 Dec 2009 12:46 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1ja3r1o.u298q3122wbk6N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > mileburner <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> > Why is it the cyclists who seem to have a complete inability to >> > correctly apportion blame? >> >> Possibly because cyclists tend to see safety as more important than >> blame. > > No, cyclists see whining on about safety as important. However they > don't have a clue about safety. Otherwise they would not ignore red > lights, place their safety above that of pedestrians, and cycle down the > blind sides of large vehicles. I can't recall doing any of those things myself. > I'll take your pronouncements about safety seriously the day that > cyclists place safety above their own convenience. What, all of them? Every single one?
From: johnwright ""john" on 2 Dec 2009 12:47 Peter Grange wrote: > On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:33:42 +0000, johnwright wrote: >> mileburner wrote: >>> I also pay VED and fuel taxes for running a car. >> Duhg would say you were not a cyclist but a motorist then :-) > > That's the whole firking problem, posters here (particularly, it has > to be said, the non-cycling motorist faction) firmly believing that > motorists and cyclists are separate tribes, and that no-one can belong > to both. This is a definite Duhgism and he's probably the only one who really does think the way you say. He's on record as saying cycling motorists are not cyclists but motorists. Most people don't think that way. I for one used to be notorious for carrying a bike in the back of the car :-) -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: mileburner on 2 Dec 2009 12:53 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7nnn59F3mvr14U9(a)mid.individual.net... > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: > >>> Why is it the cyclists who seem to have a complete inability to >>> correctly apportion blame? > >> Possibly because cyclists tend to see safety as more important than >> blame. > > He who does not learn the lessons of history is doomed to repeat them. > > If you don't understand why a collision occurred, how are you going to > know how to avoid it happening again? If you know how it occurred, you > know who is to blame for it. > > Or, to turn it around... > > If you don't care about who is to blame for it, you cannot know how it > occurred, so you cannot know how to avoid it happening again. That's all well and good but as a cyclist I find myself regularly avoiding accidents that I would not be to blame for. Cars pulling out, cars pulling in front, cars overtaking too close and cutting in too quickly. I can work out how these accidents could happen and who would be to blame, but to stay safe, a cyclist needs to go one step further and avoid the possibility of allowing these things to happen. Safety is above blame.
From: dan on 2 Dec 2009 13:04 johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> writes: > This is a definite Duhgism and he's probably the only one who really > does think the way you say. He's on record as saying cycling motorists > are not cyclists but motorists. Most people don't think that way. I > for one used to be notorious for carrying a bike in the back of the > car :-) I'd be more impressed if you'd managed to get a car on the back of the bike ;-) -dan
From: The Medway Handyman on 2 Dec 2009 13:37
mileburner wrote: > "Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message > news:c0jbh5tu49m2fv5os0unla0pal4tjhkscf(a)4ax.com... >> Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> considered 1 Dec 2009 11:37:03 GMT the >>> >>> That VAT and duty is the _only_ contribution you make to the >>> exchequer AS A CYCLIST. You do not pay income tax, council tax or >>> VAT on non-cycling items AS A CYCLIST. >> >> Are you seriously suggesting that all cyclists get income tax >> exemption on the portion of their income which they choose to spend >> on cycling? > > I have a bit of a shock revelation. > > I do about 4,000 miles a year by bicycle, and about 6,000 a year by > car. I pay the same VED on my car as someone who does not cycle and > does 10,000 miles a year by car. That means that my so called "Road > Tax" is subsidising all those motorists who do not cycle at all. FFS. Can I get a pint of whatever he's been drinking? Barking bloody mad. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |