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From: The Medway Handyman on 2 Dec 2009 13:49 mileburner wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > message news:iDpRm.10863$Ym4.5745(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >> Phil W Lee wrote: >> >>> But don't let the facts confuse you - just get your polluting cage >>> to the junkyard, where it can be safely recycled into something more >>> appropriate, and the danger of it's presence in public areas can be >>> removed. >> >> Good idea - I'll run my business from a bike or use the bus. I >> wonder why I didn't think of that? > > I saw a local painter and decorator using an old trades bike the > other day. Those ones with a small wheel at the front and a big > basket. He had paint tins and brushes and carried an advert with his > name and phone number. > I thought it was quite a good idea. But then you are a cyclist. Where did he put the ladders? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
From: The Medway Handyman on 2 Dec 2009 13:53 mileburner wrote: > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:7nna43F3mvr14U6(a)mid.individual.net... >> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding >> much like they were saying: >> >>>> Let's - just for a moment - assume the cyclist caused the >>>> collison... >> >>> Why assume the least likely option? >> >> I'm not. > > You did though, and I am sure you are aware when there is a collision > between a cyclist and another vehicle it is most likely that the other > vehicle's driver who is at fault. Oh is it? No doubt you have some facts to back up that opinion? > Given that motorists seem to love to > establish who is to blame (rather than avoiding the possibility of > having accidents in the first place) I would have thought that if you > were going to make assumptions, you would have selected the most > likely, not the least likely. He wasn't, he just asked a question. Which you are trying to avoid answering. > > But then again, perhaps this is something which drivers generally do > not want to admit. > > Ho Hum... Very good, but why don't you just answer the question? Which was, so you can't forget it;- "And in the event of an accident, if you chose to ride off without giving any information, how easy would it be to trace you"? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
From: The Medway Handyman on 2 Dec 2009 13:57 Phil W Lee wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> considered > Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:35:40 GMT the perfect time to write: > >> Squashme wrote: >>> On 30 Nov, 19:11, SW <allbrankeepsyougo...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 30 Nov, 01:02, "The Medway Handyman" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> Peter Grange wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:25:03 +0000, %ste...(a)malloc.co.uk (Steve >>>>>> Firth) wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's something you could try to test the theory. Stop the >>>>>>>>> next pavement cyclist that you see and ask them to ride where >>>>>>>>> they belong. >>>> >>>>>>>> Try telling the next motorist parked on the pavement to get his >>>>>>>> hulking great car off the pavement and on the street where it >>>>>>>> belongs. >>>> >>>>>>> When I see a driver driving down the pavement at 25mph I shall >>>>>>> tell them off. >>>> >>>>>> Good luck with stopping him. >>>> >>>>> Wouldn't need to. Cars have registration plates & can be easily >>>>> identified if they break the law. Cyclists don't, because they >>>>> don't pay to use the roads. >>>> >>>> Unless they pay council tax. >>> >>> And income tax. >>> Of course ukt regulars just "know" somehow that cyclists (sorry, >>> "lycra loons") do not pay taxes. >> >> But the sponging freeloaders don't pay a specific road tax do they? > > Neither do motons. > > Most of them pay fuel duty (which is proportionate to mileage and size > of vehicle, although nowhere near enough to cover the cost of the > damage they cause), and most of them pay VED, which is based on > emissions. > Neither of those are a specific road tax. > > Do you have any valid points? Yes I do. Despite your weasel words, motorists have to pay VED (known to everyone as Road Tax) in order to use the roads. What specifically do cyclists have to pay in order to use the roads? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
From: Adrian on 2 Dec 2009 13:57 Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>Every normal person (which clearly excludes cyclists) knows what road >>tax is and that you have to pay it to use the roads. Cyclists don't pay >>it. > I'm a cyclist and I pay it. Discuss. There's nothing to discuss. You don't pay VED in your capacity as a cyclist. Simple. End of. You pay it in your capacity as the keeper of a motor vehicle. The only way in which you can possibly construe otherwise is to assume that "cyclist" is somehow pervasive and inherent to your every action, which is clearly complete and utter bollocks.
From: Adrian on 2 Dec 2009 13:59
"mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> If you don't care about who is to blame for it, you cannot know how it >> occurred, so you cannot know how to avoid it happening again. > That's all well and good but as a cyclist I find myself regularly > avoiding accidents that I would not be to blame for. ITYM "as a road user". Yes, it happens. Well done. If you don't like it, don't use roads. > I can work out how these accidents could happen and who would be to > blame, but to stay safe, a cyclist needs to go one step further and > avoid the possibility of allowing these things to happen. No, as a road user. > Safety is above blame. No. If every road user actually thought about why collisions - or near- misses - happened, and whose actions were to blame, they might learn something and apply it to their own use of the roads - leading to a huge and rapid reduction in collisions or near-misses. But most of them don't. |