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From: Adrian on 3 Dec 2009 06:56 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> * The unqualified statement "Cyclists don't pay VED" is incorrect >>> unless a person is only considered a cyclist while astride the bike, >> Which, of course, is absolutely bob-on, otherwise Duhg is correct in >> his assertion that uk.rec.cycling is full of "closet-motorists". > Thanks for that. It must mean that I am neither a cyclist not a > motorist, in fact all I am is a monkey on a keyboard posting drivel to > Usenet. You may be other things, simultaneously, of course. <slurps tea> Unless, of course, you are posting whilst driving or cycling - not recommended on road safety grounds...
From: mileburner on 3 Dec 2009 06:59 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7npmv0F3n4836U14(a)mid.individual.net... > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: > >>> You would seem to be heading towards agreeing with Duhg that somebody >>> who uses a car, no matter how occasionally, can never be a "proper >>> cyclist"... > >> You seem to be twisting things to try to make them mean the opposite, is >> this so that you can make an argument out of it? > > Not at all. > > If you are a cyclist in everything you do, then surely you are also a > motorist in everything you do? Even riding a bike... I don't have a problem with that. You *can* be both. Just because you are not participating in the activity at the time it does not mean that you cannot describe yourself as a person who does participate at times by labelling yourself a cyclist or a motorist. I am both, although under your definition I am neither. I wonder who is deluding themselves, one of us must be.
From: Adrian on 3 Dec 2009 07:11 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>> You would seem to be heading towards agreeing with Duhg that somebody >>>> who uses a car, no matter how occasionally, can never be a "proper >>>> cyclist"... >>> You seem to be twisting things to try to make them mean the opposite, >>> is this so that you can make an argument out of it? >> Not at all. >> >> If you are a cyclist in everything you do, then surely you are also a >> motorist in everything you do? Even riding a bike... > I don't have a problem with that. You *can* be both. Just because you > are not participating in the activity at the time it does not mean that > you cannot describe yourself as a person who does participate at times > by labelling yourself a cyclist or a motorist. I am both, although under > your definition I am neither. I wonder who is deluding themselves, one > of us must be. That's all well and good, but doesn't affect the key tenet - which is that your cycling in no way impacts on your payment of VED, council tax, income tax etc. Which was the original point.
From: Adrian on 3 Dec 2009 07:18 dan(a)telent.net gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Well, by exactly the same argument "Motorists don't pay VED" is also > mostly incorrect. People are by and large not motoring at the exact > instant that they hand over £120 or however much - the Post Office doors > aren't wide enough. And for the majority of the period covered by that > payment, most of the people who make it are not motoring either. Quite right. Registered keepers of vehicles, otoh...
From: mileburner on 3 Dec 2009 07:29
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7npol0F3n4836U17(a)mid.individual.net... > dan(a)telent.net gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >> Well, by exactly the same argument "Motorists don't pay VED" is also >> mostly incorrect. People are by and large not motoring at the exact >> instant that they hand over �120 or however much - the Post Office doors >> aren't wide enough. And for the majority of the period covered by that >> payment, most of the people who make it are not motoring either. > > Quite right. > > Registered keepers of vehicles, otoh... Or their spouses :-) |