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From: FrengaX on 22 Jul 2010 02:13 On Jul 21, 3:02 pm, Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I was > walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and it was > too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started wondering about > the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon emissions. Why restrict your pointless venom at cyclists? What is the similar effect of: - buses which crawl along/block the road with long queues of cars behind - milk floats (if such things exist any more) - temporary traffic lights left in place where there is no hazard on the road (apart from the lights themselves) - People who have accidents on the motorway and cause massive tailbacks - Gypsies who decide to descend on Appleby in their horse-drawn caravans, causing miles and miles of tailbacks on the A65 - etc > > Does all the extra carbon produced by cars having to crawl behind > cyclists cancel out, or exceed the carbon saved by the cyclist ?
From: GT on 22 Jul 2010 05:04 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:i28le3$tdn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4c4774db$0$12279$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Bernard" <bernard.x.ramsden(a)x.btinternet.x.com> wrote in message >> news:VMidnWDLFL8W79rRnZ2dnUVZ8hCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> "Jethro" <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >>> news:6842a0c5-6d67-4d78-a6b5-7ce0b485caa7(a)q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>> Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I was >>>> walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and it was >>>> too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started wondering about >>>> the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon emissions. >>>> >>>> Does all the extra carbon produced by cars having to crawl behind >>>> cyclists cancel out, or exceed the carbon saved by the cyclist ? >>> >>> If a driver is being held up by slow moving traffic and the driver is >>> concerned about their affect on the environment, they they should find >>> a safe place to park, turn off the engine and wait for the traffic to >>> dissipate, >> >> How about... >> If a driver is holding up traffic by moving more slowly than everyone >> else is capable, he should find a safe place to stop and let the faster >> moving traffic dissipate. > > Either way, if they were *that* concerned, they would probably not be > driving... Driving / riding - are you going to argue about a verb now?? Petty! However this 'being concerned and stopping' is precisely the point - cyclists don't care what problems they directly cause. They don't give a damn about what is going on behind them. They are not concerned about the pollution, queues and frustration that they directly cause, they are only concerned with number 1 and things that impact their day directly. This is evident daily on our roads and frequently in this driving group and it annoys me. I have obviously touched a nerve with you, but I wish to point out I am not anti-cycling and I am not anti-cyclist. I frequently enjoy a leisurely cycle at the weekends with my family, when the weather permits. My bugbear is that I hate the 'I'm better than you' attitude that cyclists force on the other users of our public roads, both verbally and physically.
From: GT on 22 Jul 2010 05:06 "FrengaX" <hnkjqrh02(a)sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:434a3a89-0aa4-4601-9161-b43804fb9a64(a)i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On Jul 21, 3:02 pm, Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I was > walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and it was > too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started wondering about > the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon emissions. Why restrict your pointless venom at cyclists? What is the similar effect of: - buses which crawl along/block the road with long queues of cars behind - milk floats (if such things exist any more) - temporary traffic lights left in place where there is no hazard on the road (apart from the lights themselves) - People who have accidents on the motorway and cause massive tailbacks - Gypsies who decide to descend on Appleby in their horse-drawn caravans, causing miles and miles of tailbacks on the A65 - etc I would stick my neck out and say that most of the drivers in this group agree with you, but the original question concerned a particular example of cyclist deliberately causing congestion, delay and frustration for many other people. Had he moved over or stopped for a short time (as the highway code suggests that road users should do when causing queues), then the problem would have been alleviated, but alas this rarely happens.
From: GT on 22 Jul 2010 05:22 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c48098c$0$8908$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:i28le3$tdn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:4c4774db$0$12279$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Bernard" <bernard.x.ramsden(a)x.btinternet.x.com> wrote in message >>> news:VMidnWDLFL8W79rRnZ2dnUVZ8hCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> "Jethro" <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:6842a0c5-6d67-4d78-a6b5-7ce0b485caa7(a)q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I was >>>>> walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and it was >>>>> too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started wondering about >>>>> the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon emissions. >>>>> >>>>> Does all the extra carbon produced by cars having to crawl behind >>>>> cyclists cancel out, or exceed the carbon saved by the cyclist ? >>>> >>>> If a driver is being held up by slow moving traffic and the driver is >>>> concerned about their affect on the environment, they they should find >>>> a safe place to park, turn off the engine and wait for the traffic to >>>> dissipate, >>> >>> How about... >>> If a driver is holding up traffic by moving more slowly than everyone >>> else is capable, he should find a safe place to stop and let the faster >>> moving traffic dissipate. >> >> Either way, if they were *that* concerned, they would probably not be >> driving... > > Driving / riding - are you going to argue about a verb now?? Petty! > > However this 'being concerned and stopping' is precisely the point - > cyclists don't care what problems they directly cause. They don't give a > damn about what is going on behind them. They are not concerned about the > pollution, queues and frustration that they directly cause, they are only > concerned with number 1 and things that impact their day directly. This is > evident daily on our roads and frequently in this driving group and it > annoys me. > > I have obviously touched a nerve with you, but I wish to point out I am > not anti-cycling and I am not anti-cyclist. I frequently enjoy a leisurely > cycle at the weekends with my family, when the weather permits. My bugbear > is that I hate the 'I'm better than you' attitude that cyclists force on > the other users of our public roads, both verbally and physically. Last sentence - add *some* before 'cyclists force'.
From: mileburner on 22 Jul 2010 05:47
GT wrote: > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:i28le3$tdn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:4c4774db$0$12279$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Bernard" <bernard.x.ramsden(a)x.btinternet.x.com> wrote in message >>> news:VMidnWDLFL8W79rRnZ2dnUVZ8hCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> "Jethro" <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:6842a0c5-6d67-4d78-a6b5-7ce0b485caa7(a)q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I >>>>> was walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and >>>>> it was too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started >>>>> wondering about the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon >>>>> emissions. Does all the extra carbon produced by cars having to crawl >>>>> behind >>>>> cyclists cancel out, or exceed the carbon saved by the cyclist ? >>>> >>>> If a driver is being held up by slow moving traffic and the driver >>>> is concerned about their affect on the environment, they they >>>> should find a safe place to park, turn off the engine and wait for >>>> the traffic to dissipate, >>> >>> How about... >>> If a driver is holding up traffic by moving more slowly than >>> everyone else is capable, he should find a safe place to stop and >>> let the faster moving traffic dissipate. >> >> Either way, if they were *that* concerned, they would probably not be >> driving... > > Driving / riding - are you going to argue about a verb now?? Petty! > > However this 'being concerned and stopping' is precisely the point - > cyclists don't care what problems they directly cause. They don't > give a damn about what is going on behind them. They are not > concerned about the pollution, queues and frustration that they > directly cause, they are only concerned with number 1 and things that > impact their day directly. This is evident daily on our roads and > frequently in this driving group and it annoys me. Ah, diddums. You are Violet Elizabeth Bott AICM5� > I have obviously touched a nerve with you, but I wish to point out I > am not anti-cycling and I am not anti-cyclist. I frequently enjoy a > leisurely cycle at the weekends with my family, when the weather > permits. My bugbear is that I hate the 'I'm better than you' attitude > that cyclists force on the other users of our public roads, both > verbally and physically. |