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From: GT on 26 Jul 2010 16:04 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:I5idnXVsOPzWXtTRnZ2dnUVZ8rmdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c49ba95$0$22726$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:mIydnY9VS8NXPtTRnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4c498f60$0$22686$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:cpGdnZJvGoeLGNTRnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> >>>>> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2brj4$ubu$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:43:17 +0100 >>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> What a load of drivel. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stop bike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get off and stand next to wall/bush. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let cars past. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See , not hard is it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> B2003 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The only thing is that if you all-of-a-sudden stop, and get off you >>>>>>>bike, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would you do a sudden stop? Stick your arm out so drivers know >>>>>> you're >>>>>> stopping and coast to a halt. >>>>> >>>>> Most car drivers don't know hand signals. >>>> >>>> You have to know them to pass the driving test, >>> >>> Are you quite sure about that? >> >> Yes >> >>>> so those car drivers without a driving license and insurance should be >>>> arrested and given a prison sentence. This does occasionally happen. >>>> >>>>>>>It is far better to wait until there is an appropriate shoulder, >>>>>>>lay-bay, >>>>>>>side exit etc. where you *can* stop and get out of the way and let >>>>>>>them >>>>>>>pass. Even better, just wait for the road to widen (or otherwise be >>>>>>>safe to >>>>>>>pass) and pull over and wave them past. Then there is no need to hold >>>>>>>up the >>>>>>>traffic or put anyone at risk. >>>>>> >>>>>> In an ideal world yes. In a narrow road that you might be puffing >>>>>> your >>>>>> way up for the next 10 minutes its only good manners to let other >>>>>> traffic >>>>>> pass. >>>>> >>>>> Why should people sitting in nice comfy overpowered cars get >>>>> precedence over people using muscle power? >>>> >>>> No one gets precedence over anyone else - there are rules governing >>>> road craft and conduct - everyone has to comply with the same rules. If >>>> a person sitting in a nice comfy car is driving too slowly, then they >>>> will fail their driving test and not be allowed to drive on the road >>>> unsupervised! >>> Indeed, but what about after they've passed their test? >> >> They are *supposed* to maintain a knowledge of the highway code and >> follow it at all times. This is of course a world of theory practiced by >> many, ignored by more. > Where in the HC does it mention anything about failing to make progress or > minimum speeds except in those locations where minimum speeds signs are on > display? See other post.
From: Brimstone on 26 Jul 2010 16:10 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4dea15$0$26064$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:G-edncLf38jxe9DRnZ2dnUVZ7vmdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4ddd69$0$12311$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:GPOdnZRirvBOX9TRnZ2dnUVZ8ludnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> Is it an argument if one of the parties grounds are so detached from >>>> reality as to be fanciful? >>> >>> It doesn't matter how detached from reality he/she is, if someone is >>> using the public roads, they should follow the rules. >> Indeed. Can you please show me where in the rules that one must travel at >> or about the speed limit? > > Did you not see the other post? 'fraid not.
From: Brimstone on 26 Jul 2010 16:10 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't imagine >>>>>>>> why... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know why! >>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who knows how >>>>> to drive properly. >>>> >>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of view? >>> >>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >> Where in the highway code? > > Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good > progress" Got a link?
From: Brimstone on 26 Jul 2010 16:12 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:joqdnbrcfrA2dtDRnZ2dnUVZ8ludnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> Did you not see the other post? > 'fraid not. Have now.
From: Derek C on 27 Jul 2010 04:31
On Jul 26, 8:15 pm, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:i2e37o$ce8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote in message > >news:4c49bbb0$0$22726$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >> "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > >>news:i2c7dg$u1g$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > >>> "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote in message > >>>news:4c496d16$0$22721$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > >>>> "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:i2bp07$ad9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > >>>>> <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote in message > >>>>>news:i2bkgp$i15$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > > >>>>>> No it isn't. Cars have an optimum speed at which they use the least > >>>>>> fuel > >>>>>> for a given distance and its usually somewhere around the 50-60mph > >>>>>> mark. > >>>>>> Above and below that fuel economy starts to drop off a cliff. Thats > >>>>>> what makes > >>>>>> all these "green" initiatives by local councils slowing traffic down > >>>>>> to 20mph > >>>>>> such a joke. It just generates more CO2 and probably causes more bad > >>>>>> driving > >>>>>> when drivers get back onto a main road and floor it to make up lost > >>>>>> time. > > >>>>> OTOH the 20 mph limits encourage drivers to drive at a speed where > >>>>> they are not continuously (and often aggressively) speeding up and > >>>>> slowing down. > > >>>>> In urban areas, how long can 30mph be maintained before reaching a set > >>>>> of lights, pedestrian crossing or other give way, stop etc? > > >>>> For exactly the same distance as when driving at 20! > > >>> Minus the distance speeding up and slowing down... > > >> I know that pure text always fails to convey emotion and can therefore be > >> easily taken out of context, but this was a joke, right? > > > If you ever actually drove a vehicle of any kind whatsoever you will > > realise that it takes longer, and a further distance to reach a higher > > speed. And having attained that higher speed, it takes longer and more > > distance to slow down again than it would from a lower speed. > > > (I can't believe I need to explain this) > > > However, if you want to be pedantic, there was an assumption in my text > > that the vehicle would need to slow down and stop for inconveniences such > > as a set of lights, pedestrian crossing or other give way, stop etc? But I > > figured that it was blatantly bleedin' obvious. > > Lets consider a 2 mile journey. This journey involves 3 sets of traffic > lights. > > Your world of the blatantly obvious: > A car sets off from 0mph, after 3 second it reaches 20mph - in your world > you carry on at 20mph for a minue, until you have to slow down (another 5 > seconds) to 0 for some lights... and so on. > > My world of the blatantly obvious: > A car sets off from 0mp, after 3 seconds it reaches 20mph, but instead of > staying at that speed, it continues up to 30mph where it continues for just > 40 seconds before it has to stop for some lights etc etc. > > Can you please explain for me, in simple terms - as I clearly don't > understand - how exactly is 20mph faster than 30mph? > > I think I'll leave you to re-read that and come back to us with why 30mph is > slower than 20mph. No one can argue that it takes time to speed up and slow > down, but if you are speeding up to 30 and slowing down from 30, then your > journey will be over sooner than if you only speed up to 20 - where is the > confusion?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If you go faster, you have a better chance of getting to the traffic lights while they are still on green. |