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From: GT on 27 Jul 2010 05:47 <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:i2m9n0$5j0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:34:57 +0100 > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >>Having said this, I'm not sure if the national 60 limit increases to 70 >>*automatically* as soon as the central reservation appears. I seem to >>remember that there has to be a 'dual carriageway' sign before the limit >>actually goes up to 70, despite the fact that the driver can clearly see >>that the carriageway has split in two. > > I wonder why they bother with the 60/70 difference. A head on with a > closing > speed of 120 isn't going to be any more survivable than one at 140. True - anything over a combined speed of about 50 is bad news.
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 05:48 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4ea046$0$15829$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7ZKdnZ9Q97VadtDRnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't imagine >>>>>>>>>> why... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know why! >>>>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who knows >>>>>>> how to drive properly. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of view? >>>>> >>>>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >>>> Where in the highway code? >>> >>> Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good >>> progress" >> Got a link? > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSA.gov You've cited a specific entry in the Highway Code. Can you provide a direct link to it or not?
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 05:50 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4ea83e$0$15821$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:zdCdne4JBt1C9NDRnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >> news:i2jnar$fae$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:47:24 +0100 >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>><boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>>news:i2jj26$7pm$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:43:40 +0100 >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> We're not talking about stopping on a dual carraigeway. >>>>>> >>>>>>Quite, if we were I'd have written "70mph". >>>>> >>>>> The limit on most of them is 60. Stick to your bicycle old man. >>>> >>>>Really, are you seriously saying that the NSL on a dual carriageway is >>>>60mph? >>> >>> If theres no central reservation yes. Feel free to argue the point. >> >> If there's no central reservation what makes you think it's a dual >> carriageway? > > May I butt in with a simple Carriageways vs lanes statement? (clearly > someone should reply with a 'no' here). > > The numbers of 'lanes' on a road and number of 'carriageways' have nothing > to do with each other. The word carriageway refers to a stretch of tarmac. > A single stretch of tarmac is a single carriageway and can have 1, 2, 3, > 4+ lanes painted upon it and those lanes can run in either direction. If > there are 2 separate pieces of tarmac with a divider (gravel trap or > grassy strip) between them, then we have two carriageways (commonly called > dual carriageway). Each of these 2 carriageways can have 1, 2, 3+ lanes > painted on them, but traffic usually flows in only one direction per > carriageway. Correct. > Having said this, I'm not sure if the national 60 limit increases to 70 > *automatically* as soon as the central reservation appears. I seem to > remember that there has to be a 'dual carriageway' sign before the limit > actually goes up to 70, despite the fact that the driver can clearly see > that the carriageway has split in two. > A point I'd not considered. I've always taken the view that a central reservation makes it a dual carriageway and therefore 70 mph.
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 05:52 <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:i2m9n0$5j0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:34:57 +0100 > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >>Having said this, I'm not sure if the national 60 limit increases to 70 >>*automatically* as soon as the central reservation appears. I seem to >>remember that there has to be a 'dual carriageway' sign before the limit >>actually goes up to 70, despite the fact that the driver can clearly see >>that the carriageway has split in two. > > I wonder why they bother with the 60/70 difference. A head on with a > closing > speed of 120 isn't going to be any more survivable than one at 140. > A good question, especially as we now have one sign with two meanings. For those who started driving more recently, the current NSL sign (white disc with a black diagonal bar) original meant "No Speed Limit".
From: GT on 27 Jul 2010 05:55
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:s4ednS8HDJPnNtPRnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c4ea046$0$15829$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:7ZKdnZ9Q97VadtDRnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> >>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't imagine >>>>>>>>>>> why... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know why! >>>>>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who knows >>>>>>>> how to drive properly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of view? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >>>>> Where in the highway code? >>>> >>>> Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good >>>> progress" >>> Got a link? >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSA.gov > You've cited a specific entry in the Highway Code. Can you provide a > direct link to it or not? I've already said elsewhere that I can't be bothered trawling through it all. As I have also already said, the quote I gave earlier is from a DSA driving examiner when failing a student on his driving test. If you need more help, please take it up with the DSA and stop shooting the messenger (me)! |