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From: Adrian on 30 Jul 2010 06:24 "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> What would have a better effect, I believe, is to teach trainee drivers >> why the rules, written and unwritten, are there which would lead to >> understanding and, in time, a better standard of compliance. A test for >> the proper attitude would also be a useful idea. > Sounds good in theory, but given that people can 'fake' good driving in > order to get through a test, then they can probably fake a good > attitude. Might just as well get shot of the test, then, eh?
From: boltar2003 on 30 Jul 2010 06:34 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:15:56 +0100 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >Sounds good in theory, but given that people can 'fake' good driving in >order to get through a test, then they can probably fake a good attitude. I'm not sure how you can fake good driving. Someone is either driving well or they arn't. Its not like they're robots being remotely controlled by Lewis Hamilton or someone. Whether someone chooses to drive well after they've passed is another matter entirely. B2003
From: GT on 30 Jul 2010 06:48 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:8bfnisF5hpU16(a)mid.individual.net... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>> What would have a better effect, I believe, is to teach trainee drivers >>> why the rules, written and unwritten, are there which would lead to >>> understanding and, in time, a better standard of compliance. A test for >>> the proper attitude would also be a useful idea. > >> Sounds good in theory, but given that people can 'fake' good driving in >> order to get through a test, then they can probably fake a good >> attitude. > > Might just as well get shot of the test, then, eh? Might as well drop the idea of a 'retest', but the original test is still useful.
From: Brimstone on 30 Jul 2010 06:52 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c52a654$0$12293$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2d2dnQPvFZ8nPs_RnZ2dnUVZ8r-dnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c529d73$0$12309$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:9P-dnR81TPbZVszRnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >>>> But, as I've been trying to impress on you, what a DSA examiner says >>>> has no bearing on day to day driving. >>> >>> Unfortunately, this is true, but as I have said a few times - I think it >>> should. It seems daft to have a set of road laws and regulations that >>> apply during a driving test of competance, but don't apply to the other >>> drivers on the road (or at least are not enforced). The level of driving >>> skill, or more accurately, 'road and lane awareness' needs to be vastly >>> improved in this country, but I have only 1 idea as to how we can do >>> this: repeat driving tests every 10 years when the driving licence is up >>> for renewall is the only option I can think of. >>> >> Retesting would not solve the problem since most people can drive to a >> suitable standard if they choose to. >> >> What would have a better effect, I believe, is to teach trainee drivers >> why the rules, written and unwritten, are there which would lead to >> understanding and, in time, a better standard of compliance. A test for >> the proper attitude would also be a useful idea. > > Sounds good in theory, but given that people can 'fake' good driving in > order to get through a test, then they can probably fake a good attitude. More difficult since people who don't have the right attitude don't understand what the right attitude is. > Unfortunately, I don't think any of these things are going to happen in > our lifetimes. Sadly not. Although I despaired of people being taught basic car maintenance and greater emphasis being put on the theory of driving. Both of these are now with us.
From: GT on 30 Jul 2010 06:53
<boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:i2u9qt$igd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:15:56 +0100 > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote: >>Sounds good in theory, but given that people can 'fake' good driving in >>order to get through a test, then they can probably fake a good attitude. > > I'm not sure how you can fake good driving. Someone is either driving well > or they arn't. Its not like they're robots being remotely controlled by > Lewis Hamilton or someone. Whether someone chooses to drive well after > they've passed is another matter entirely. I guess Brimstone meant that decent, experienced drivers could manage to drive for 40 minutes avoiding the majority of the 'bad habbits' that they have picked up over the years, thereby 'faking' good driving - you know - always staying within the speed limit, slowing down much further before junctions than 'normal', hands at 10-2-2, never 'coasting', always 'making good progresss', finding the fine line between hesitation and hasty, always checking the *left* mirror before and after every rolling manoeuvre (enter a roundabout, exit a roundabout, before a junction, after a junction etc etc), keeping a 2 second distance to the car in front, traffic light anticipation, not smoking, not using the phone etc etc |