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From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 5 Apr 2010 10:07 D Walford wrote: > On 5/04/2010 9:20 AM, Scotty wrote: >> "Neil Gerace"<grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au> wrote in message >> news:4BB89D42.5010408(a)iinet.net.au... >> : Scotty wrote: >> : >> :> There are a few things wrong with battery disconnects: >> :> 1. You lose all your stored data on stereos etc >> :> 2. You cant use yoru central locking any more when its disconnected >> :> 3. If you disonnect when yourve a running engine you fry the >> alternator >> : >> : Not necessarily :) >> : >> : I found this relating to an FIA-approved 6-pole kill switch: >> : >> : "an FIA master switch has 4 small connections, one pair will be >> closed circuit with the switch on >> the other with the >> : switch off, the pair which connect with the switch on should cut >> power to the ignition system, >> : >> : the other pair connect with the switch off one of them should be >> connected to the main live to the >> cars electrics ( not >> : the one connected to the battery) the other is connected to the >> resistor, and the other end of the >> resistor should be >> : conected to earth, without the resistor you risk blowing the diodes >> in the alternator every time >> the cut off is used to >> : shut down the electrics with the engine running" >> : >> : http://bbs.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?125014-FIA-Master-Switch >> : >> >> Yeah, those units are not exactly simple ones and the cost for both >> installation and purchase would >> be greater than the alarm installation that the OP didnt want to do to >> start with. >> >> I used to use a battery disconnect on my rally car as required by the >> rules. If you do it all >> yourself its easy and relitively cheap. But if your capable of dogin >> that right your capable of >> installing an alarm system right as well. >> >> > Yep, not a great idea on a road car, I installed a battery isolator on > the mates Clubman when he used to race it and it is useful as a theft > deterrent but it has no unnecessary electrical gear, not even a radio > and the Microtech ECU memory is not cleared when the battery is > disconnected. > Most late model cars have a factory immobiliser so unless it is an old > car without an immobiliser I wouldn't fit and alarm, I'd just fit an > immobiliser. > > > Daryl > > > Immobilisers are easily bypassed by the pros , or someone with a flat bed to a noisemaker helps a lot ( and a wheel lock)
From: D Walford on 5 Apr 2010 18:46 On 6/04/2010 12:07 AM, atec7 7 > wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 5/04/2010 9:20 AM, Scotty wrote: >>> "Neil Gerace"<grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au> wrote in message >>> news:4BB89D42.5010408(a)iinet.net.au... >>> : Scotty wrote: >>> : >>> :> There are a few things wrong with battery disconnects: >>> :> 1. You lose all your stored data on stereos etc >>> :> 2. You cant use yoru central locking any more when its disconnected >>> :> 3. If you disonnect when yourve a running engine you fry the >>> alternator >>> : >>> : Not necessarily :) >>> : >>> : I found this relating to an FIA-approved 6-pole kill switch: >>> : >>> : "an FIA master switch has 4 small connections, one pair will be >>> closed circuit with the switch on >>> the other with the >>> : switch off, the pair which connect with the switch on should cut >>> power to the ignition system, >>> : >>> : the other pair connect with the switch off one of them should be >>> connected to the main live to the >>> cars electrics ( not >>> : the one connected to the battery) the other is connected to the >>> resistor, and the other end of the >>> resistor should be >>> : conected to earth, without the resistor you risk blowing the diodes >>> in the alternator every time >>> the cut off is used to >>> : shut down the electrics with the engine running" >>> : >>> : http://bbs.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?125014-FIA-Master-Switch >>> : >>> >>> Yeah, those units are not exactly simple ones and the cost for both >>> installation and purchase would >>> be greater than the alarm installation that the OP didnt want to do >>> to start with. >>> >>> I used to use a battery disconnect on my rally car as required by the >>> rules. If you do it all >>> yourself its easy and relitively cheap. But if your capable of dogin >>> that right your capable of >>> installing an alarm system right as well. >>> >>> >> Yep, not a great idea on a road car, I installed a battery isolator on >> the mates Clubman when he used to race it and it is useful as a theft >> deterrent but it has no unnecessary electrical gear, not even a radio >> and the Microtech ECU memory is not cleared when the battery is >> disconnected. >> Most late model cars have a factory immobiliser so unless it is an old >> car without an immobiliser I wouldn't fit and alarm, I'd just fit an >> immobiliser. >> >> >> Daryl >> >> >> > Immobilisers are easily bypassed by the pros , or someone with a flat > bed to a noisemaker helps a lot ( and a wheel lock) True but they will stop the amateurs, nothing will stop a determined pro. Daryl
From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 6 Apr 2010 00:15 D Walford wrote: > On 6/04/2010 12:07 AM, atec7 7 > wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >>> On 5/04/2010 9:20 AM, Scotty wrote: >>>> "Neil Gerace"<grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au> wrote in message >>>> news:4BB89D42.5010408(a)iinet.net.au... >>>> : Scotty wrote: >>>> : >>>> :> There are a few things wrong with battery disconnects: >>>> :> 1. You lose all your stored data on stereos etc >>>> :> 2. You cant use yoru central locking any more when its disconnected >>>> :> 3. If you disonnect when yourve a running engine you fry the >>>> alternator >>>> : >>>> : Not necessarily :) >>>> : >>>> : I found this relating to an FIA-approved 6-pole kill switch: >>>> : >>>> : "an FIA master switch has 4 small connections, one pair will be >>>> closed circuit with the switch on >>>> the other with the >>>> : switch off, the pair which connect with the switch on should cut >>>> power to the ignition system, >>>> : >>>> : the other pair connect with the switch off one of them should be >>>> connected to the main live to the >>>> cars electrics ( not >>>> : the one connected to the battery) the other is connected to the >>>> resistor, and the other end of the >>>> resistor should be >>>> : conected to earth, without the resistor you risk blowing the diodes >>>> in the alternator every time >>>> the cut off is used to >>>> : shut down the electrics with the engine running" >>>> : >>>> : http://bbs.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?125014-FIA-Master-Switch >>>> : >>>> >>>> Yeah, those units are not exactly simple ones and the cost for both >>>> installation and purchase would >>>> be greater than the alarm installation that the OP didnt want to do >>>> to start with. >>>> >>>> I used to use a battery disconnect on my rally car as required by the >>>> rules. If you do it all >>>> yourself its easy and relitively cheap. But if your capable of dogin >>>> that right your capable of >>>> installing an alarm system right as well. >>>> >>>> >>> Yep, not a great idea on a road car, I installed a battery isolator on >>> the mates Clubman when he used to race it and it is useful as a theft >>> deterrent but it has no unnecessary electrical gear, not even a radio >>> and the Microtech ECU memory is not cleared when the battery is >>> disconnected. >>> Most late model cars have a factory immobiliser so unless it is an old >>> car without an immobiliser I wouldn't fit and alarm, I'd just fit an >>> immobiliser. >>> >>> >>> Daryl >>> >>> >>> >> Immobilisers are easily bypassed by the pros , or someone with a flat >> bed to a noisemaker helps a lot ( and a wheel lock) > > True but they will stop the amateurs, nothing will stop a determined pro. I can't agree as there are things that will BUT the cost is getting up there > > > > Daryl
From: F Murtz on 6 Apr 2010 08:20
D Walford wrote: > On 6/04/2010 12:07 AM, atec7 7 > wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >>> On 5/04/2010 9:20 AM, Scotty wrote: >>>> "Neil Gerace"<grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au> wrote in message >>>> news:4BB89D42.5010408(a)iinet.net.au... >>>> : Scotty wrote: >>>> : >>>> :> There are a few things wrong with battery disconnects: >>>> :> 1. You lose all your stored data on stereos etc >>>> :> 2. You cant use yoru central locking any more when its disconnected >>>> :> 3. If you disonnect when yourve a running engine you fry the >>>> alternator >>>> : >>>> : Not necessarily :) >>>> : >>>> : I found this relating to an FIA-approved 6-pole kill switch: >>>> : >>>> : "an FIA master switch has 4 small connections, one pair will be >>>> closed circuit with the switch on >>>> the other with the >>>> : switch off, the pair which connect with the switch on should cut >>>> power to the ignition system, >>>> : >>>> : the other pair connect with the switch off one of them should be >>>> connected to the main live to the >>>> cars electrics ( not >>>> : the one connected to the battery) the other is connected to the >>>> resistor, and the other end of the >>>> resistor should be >>>> : conected to earth, without the resistor you risk blowing the diodes >>>> in the alternator every time >>>> the cut off is used to >>>> : shut down the electrics with the engine running" >>>> : >>>> : http://bbs.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?125014-FIA-Master-Switch >>>> : >>>> >>>> Yeah, those units are not exactly simple ones and the cost for both >>>> installation and purchase would >>>> be greater than the alarm installation that the OP didnt want to do >>>> to start with. >>>> >>>> I used to use a battery disconnect on my rally car as required by the >>>> rules. If you do it all >>>> yourself its easy and relitively cheap. But if your capable of dogin >>>> that right your capable of >>>> installing an alarm system right as well. >>>> >>>> >>> Yep, not a great idea on a road car, I installed a battery isolator on >>> the mates Clubman when he used to race it and it is useful as a theft >>> deterrent but it has no unnecessary electrical gear, not even a radio >>> and the Microtech ECU memory is not cleared when the battery is >>> disconnected. >>> Most late model cars have a factory immobiliser so unless it is an old >>> car without an immobiliser I wouldn't fit and alarm, I'd just fit an >>> immobiliser. >>> >>> >>> Daryl >>> >>> >>> >> Immobilisers are easily bypassed by the pros , or someone with a flat >> bed to a noisemaker helps a lot ( and a wheel lock) > > True but they will stop the amateurs, nothing will stop a determined pro. > > > > Daryl there are ways but they are illegal. In Africa,to stop hijacks some people fitted lpg burners under the door sills that shot flame out the side which fixed hijackers. in some places you used to be able to wire tazer like wiring in the car seats (have to be fail safe or you get yourself) |