From: Phlip on
On May 4, 7:44 pm, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:

> The old "everyone else sacrifices for what **I** think is a more
> valuable use of the resource.

Oh, you mean like the health care system (until recently)?
From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises wrote:
> On May 4, 10:03 pm, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
> <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>>
>>
>>
>> Enterprises wrote:
>>> On May 4, 9:49 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>>>> Enterprises" wrote:
>>>>> Do you find that you can't sleep, or that you have nightmares?
>>>> Nope. I sleep fine. How about yourself?
>>> I stay awake until very late. But I shouldn't be afraid of the CREEPY
>>> CREATURE, since I walk as much as I can, and bicycling is really
>>> impossible around here.
>>> The problem is that I can't get that sleepy because I still have to
>>> burn more calories.
>> You worry too much. Hell, you are just going to get old and die like
>> the rest of us, sooner or later. Relax, enjoy the day, find a good
>> bowling show on TV for excitement.
>
> Listen, what can more exciting than the Internet. I can do ANYTHING in
> it, but I'm still inside. Don't you guys wonder what REAL LIFE is
> like?
>
> Oh well, ANOTHER MONKEY IN THE CAGE.

You gotta relax and learn to enjoy life, a bag of potato chips, a slice
of pizza, a 12 pack of beer in the little fridge over to the side, a new
pack of cigarettes.
and...... saving the best for last.

drumroll...........


Holy cow, watch this stuff. The 7-10 pin action is awesome. Check it
out, the one chick looks like Sarah Palin. I think it might be her
incognito. That chunky gal looks like she's been hitting the
cheeseburgers a little to much. She needs a personal trainer and ought
to go work with the clean up crews on the gulf coast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIoraJvHeU&feature=related
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises on
On May 4, 10:53 pm, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
<"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>
>
>
> Enterprises wrote:
> > On May 4, 10:03 pm, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
> > <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>
> >> Enterprises wrote:
> >>> On May 4, 9:49 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >>>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> >>>> Enterprises" wrote:
> >>>>> Do you find that you can't sleep, or that you have nightmares?
> >>>> Nope. I sleep fine. How about yourself?
> >>> I stay awake until very late. But I shouldn't be afraid of the CREEPY
> >>> CREATURE, since I walk as much as I can, and bicycling is really
> >>> impossible around here.
> >>> The problem is that I can't get that sleepy because I still have to
> >>> burn more calories.
> >>   You worry too much.  Hell, you are just going to get old and die like
> >> the rest of us, sooner or later.   Relax, enjoy the day, find a good
> >> bowling show on TV for excitement.
>
> > Listen, what can more exciting than the Internet. I can do ANYTHING in
> > it, but I'm still inside. Don't you guys wonder what REAL LIFE is
> > like?
>
> > Oh well, ANOTHER MONKEY IN THE CAGE.
>
> You gotta relax and learn to enjoy life,  a bag of potato chips, a slice
> of pizza, a 12 pack of beer in the little fridge over to the side, a new
> pack of cigarettes.
>   and......   saving the best for last.
>
> drumroll...........
>
> Holy cow,  watch this stuff.   The 7-10 pin action is awesome.  Check it
> out, the one chick looks like Sarah Palin.  I think it might be her
> incognito.     That chunky gal looks like she's been hitting the
> cheeseburgers a little to much.  She needs a personal trainer and ought
> to go work with the clean up crews on the gulf coast.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIoraJvHeU&feature=related

Well, I just found another WWII movie... 'Dresden.' It should make the
cage more bearable for a while.

From: lil abner on
Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Do I feel guilty?
>
> No, I do not.
>
> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. We can get
> that oil from our own sources and risk the bad effects of spills, or we can
> court the Ragheads and buy their oil.
>
> We could, and arguably should, migrate our energy sources to coal and
> natural gas, but those sources have objectionable overhead too. Perhaps not
> as objectionable as an oil spill, but somebody would pitch a fit for
> something if we used coal or gas.
>
> But coal and natural gas make poor energy sources for automobiles. They do
> make good energy sources for homes and power plants, and lots of other kinds
> of things where stationary energy is needed.
>
> I do not argue that stationary energy loads could be powered better than
> coal or natural gas can do, I only argue that if these energy loads use
> petroleum based energy, then we could switch them away and use the petroleum
> in our automobiles.
>
> I do not argue that natural ghas would not work in an automobile, but it
> hasn't the same energy value that petroleum has, so it would take more to
> drive a car 350 miles than the gasoline that is used now.
>
> I see no reason to not convert energy loads -- cars and factories -- to
> natural gas or coal, and cars would do far better with natural gas than with
> coal. America has coal and natural gas to sell to the world, but we should
> use it locally and wean ourselves from the Ragheads that would rather kill
> us that get rich from us.
>
> But, no, I do not feel guilty. It's not my fault that the envirowhackos have
> not allowed us to migrate to renewable energy, or nukes to power stationary
> energy loads. For example, my state has more than doubled its population in
> the past 30 years, but not added any new energy sources, so we need far more
> foreign oil than we might otherwise need if we had built alternative energy
> sources.
>
> Why do you ask?
>
>
>
>
>
A lot/most people that have this irrational conviction that the world
will be mad right if we regress to a Feudal Agrarian Society are out of
their tree.
If they bring our economy to a screeching halt and ban all automobiles,
air conditioners, and power plants pollution will not be reduced by 20%
or whatever magic number they pull out of the air.
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises on
On May 4, 11:36 pm, lil abner <@daisey.mae> wrote:
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Do I feel guilty?
>
> > No, I do not.
>
> > Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. We can get
> > that oil from our own sources and risk the bad effects of spills, or we can
> > court the Ragheads and buy their oil.
>
> > We could, and arguably should, migrate our energy sources to coal and
> > natural gas, but those sources have objectionable overhead too. Perhaps not
> > as objectionable as an oil spill, but somebody would pitch a fit for
> > something if we used coal or gas.
>
> > But coal and natural gas make poor energy sources for automobiles. They do
> > make good energy sources for homes and power plants, and lots of other kinds
> > of things where stationary energy is needed.
>
> > I do not argue that stationary energy loads could be powered better than
> > coal or natural gas can do, I only argue that if these energy loads use
> > petroleum based energy, then we could switch them away and use the petroleum
> > in our automobiles.
>
> > I do not argue that natural ghas would not work in an automobile, but it
> > hasn't the same energy value that petroleum has, so it would take more to
> > drive a car 350 miles than the gasoline that is used now.
>
> > I see no reason to not convert energy loads -- cars and factories -- to
> > natural gas or coal, and cars would do far better with natural gas than with
> > coal. America has coal and natural gas to sell to the world, but we should
> > use it locally and wean ourselves from the Ragheads that would rather kill
> > us that get rich from us.
>
> > But, no, I do not feel guilty. It's not my fault that the envirowhackos have
> > not allowed us to migrate to renewable energy, or nukes to power stationary
> > energy loads. For example, my state has more than doubled its population in
> > the past 30 years, but not added any new energy sources, so we need far more
> > foreign oil than we might otherwise need if we had built alternative energy
> > sources.
>
> > Why do you ask?
>
> A lot/most people that have this irrational conviction that the world
> will be mad right if we regress to a Feudal Agrarian Society are out of
> their tree.
> If they bring our economy to a screeching halt and ban all automobiles,
> air conditioners, and power plants pollution will not be reduced by 20%
> or whatever magic number they pull out of the air.

Yes, I believe that a MIXED TRANSPORTATION (from cars to bullet trains
and bicycles) is not completely crazy.

Northern European countries have tried those with real success.

Nobody's proposing the Amish model here, except those horse carts seem
very appropriate for a Sunday ride to church.