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From: Noddy on 24 May 2010 05:48

"TonyS" <scarborofun(a)gmail.nspm.com> wrote in message
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> Anyway, I got one from the wreckers for $135. Now I think of fitting it
> myself.
> Any tips? I am sure there are a few tricks I should know :-)

There are, but it depends on what type of windscreen retention method it
uses. Often on such hatches they employ an expanded rubber type where a
plastic insert (which is often chromed) is pushed into the centre of the
rubber to "expand" it and make it seal tight against the glass and body. The
main rubber itself is usually fitted t the glass first and then the glass
and rubber are fitted to the car as an "assembly" with a rope or some type
of cord pushed into the outer opening that goes over the body lip. The idea
being that the glass is sat on the window opening and then the rope pulled
from the inside to ease the rubber over the body lip. The expander moulding
is then inserted into the rubber with a special tool to make it all seal.

It's not an impossible task for a novice, but if you've never done one
before you're going to find it a pretty daunting exercise. Especially if you
don't have the tool to insert the moulding.

It might be worth your while to call one of the local windscreen fitters for
a quote on having them fit the replacement glass. Most of them do used
refits at reasonable rates.

> Is Sikaflex the right sealant?

Sikaflex make about a dozen or more different varieties of sealants and
adhesives, and you'd need to visit their website to see if they make
something that would be suitable for use as a windscreen sealant. They may
do, but if they do I've not seen it. Most of the stuff they make is
excellent, but it's generally not designed to be pulled apart after it's set
and that's usually *not* want you want for fitting windscreens unless you
don't mind removing the old rubber with a hammer and chisel next time you
have to replace the glass.

Caulking compound is normally the usual sealant.

> Where can I buy new trims?

For a '91 Pulsar? You're kidding, right? :)

Seriously, you'd be hard pressed finding *anything* new for an almost 20
year old car today. Try a wreckers or ebay for good used ones.

> Do I have to clean off all the foamy stuff?

Sorry, but I have no idea what "foamy stuff" you're referring to.

> True. But a car that works and everything has been fixed (serviced with
> all filters and sparks replaced, brakes, exhaust, coolant flushed, new
> tyres, not a single bit of rust) is worth hanging on to.

Indeed it is.

I just did a repair on a Daewoo Nubira for one of the wife's girlfriend's
husband. It snapped a timing belt and bent a shitload of valves, and the fix
cost him around 1200 bucks at mate's rates. Most people would probably think
spending that kind of money on a 10 year old Daewoo Nubira is not a
brilliant idea, but then the rest of the car is in excellent condition with
only 115k km's on the dial, and even though the repair was getting close to
the car's market value it's worth a whole lot more to the bloke in terms of
usefulness and practicality than what it would realise on the market.

--
Regards,
Noddy.


From: TonyS on 24 May 2010 06:44
Noddy wrote:
> "TonyS" <scarborofun(a)gmail.nspm.com> wrote in message
> news:97CdnTYs8dAO32fWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
>
>
> There are, but it depends on what type of windscreen retention method it
> uses. Often on such hatches they employ an expanded rubber type where a
>[cut]

I did this once on an old land cruizer.
Sadly that's not what it is like on this N14 sedan.

>
> It might be worth your while to call one of the local windscreen fitters for
> a quote on having them fit the replacement glass. Most of them do used
> refits at reasonable rates.
>

Did that. They ask $150 which I think is a fair price. I am considering this but
also like a bit of a challenge while saving money:)

>
> Sikaflex make about a dozen or more different varieties of sealants and
> adhesives, and you'd need to visit their website to see if they make
> something that would be suitable for use as a windscreen sealant. They may
> do, but if they do I've not seen it. Most of the stuff they make is
> excellent, but it's generally not designed to be pulled apart after it's set
> and that's usually *not* want you want for fitting windscreens unless you
> don't mind removing the old rubber with a hammer and chisel next time you
> have to replace the glass.

The wrecker just mentioned the brand and no specific type.

>
> Caulking compound is normally the usual sealant.
>
>
> For a '91 Pulsar? You're kidding, right? :)
>
> Seriously, you'd be hard pressed finding *anything* new for an almost 20
> year old car today. Try a wreckers or ebay for good used ones.
>

I thought maybe that stuff is generic.

>
> Sorry, but I have no idea what "foamy stuff" you're referring to.
>

Between the rubber and the glued on glass is a layer of foam, like a foam tape
about 8mm wide and 3mm thick.

>
> Indeed it is.
>
> I just did a repair on a Daewoo Nubira for one of the wife's girlfriend's
> husband. It snapped a timing belt and bent a shitload of valves, and the fix
> cost him around 1200 bucks at mate's rates. Most people would probably think
> spending that kind of money on a 10 year old Daewoo Nubira is not a
> brilliant idea, but then the rest of the car is in excellent condition with
> only 115k km's on the dial, and even though the repair was getting close to
> the car's market value it's worth a whole lot more to the bloke in terms of
> usefulness and practicality than what it would realise on the market.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

Totally agree. I also hate wasting resources if there is no need to.
Personally I almost don't care which car is getting me from A to B :)

Cheers

Tony
From: hippo on 24 May 2010 08:19
TonyS wrote:
>
> Noddy wrote:
> > "TonyS" <scarborofun(a)gmail.nspm.com> wrote in message
> > news:97CdnTYs8dAO32fWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
> >
> >
> > There are, but it depends on what type of windscreen retention method it
> > uses. Often on such hatches they employ an expanded rubber type where a
> >[cut]
>
> I did this once on an old land cruizer.
> Sadly that's not what it is like on this N14 sedan.
>
> >
> > It might be worth your while to call one of the local windscreen fitters
for
> > a quote on having them fit the replacement glass. Most of them do used
> > refits at reasonable rates.
> >
>
> Did that. They ask $150 which I think is a fair price. I am considering this
but
> also like a bit of a challenge while saving money:)
>
> >
> > Sikaflex make about a dozen or more different varieties of sealants and
> > adhesives, and you'd need to visit their website to see if they make
> > something that would be suitable for use as a windscreen sealant. They may
> > do, but if they do I've not seen it. Most of the stuff they make is
> > excellent, but it's generally not designed to be pulled apart after it's
set
> > and that's usually *not* want you want for fitting windscreens unless you
> > don't mind removing the old rubber with a hammer and chisel next time you
> > have to replace the glass.
>
> The wrecker just mentioned the brand and no specific type.
>
> >
> > Caulking compound is normally the usual sealant.
> >
> >
> > For a '91 Pulsar? You're kidding, right? :)
> >
> > Seriously, you'd be hard pressed finding *anything* new for an almost 20
> > year old car today. Try a wreckers or ebay for good used ones.
> >
>
> I thought maybe that stuff is generic.
>
> >
> > Sorry, but I have no idea what "foamy stuff" you're referring to.
> >
>
> Between the rubber and the glued on glass is a layer of foam, like a foam
tape
> about 8mm wide and 3mm thick.
>
> >
> > Indeed it is.
> >
> > I just did a repair on a Daewoo Nubira for one of the wife's girlfriend's
> > husband. It snapped a timing belt and bent a shitload of valves, and the
fix
> > cost him around 1200 bucks at mate's rates. Most people would probably
think
> > spending that kind of money on a 10 year old Daewoo Nubira is not a
> > brilliant idea, but then the rest of the car is in excellent condition
with
> > only 115k km's on the dial, and even though the repair was getting close
to
> > the car's market value it's worth a whole lot more to the bloke in terms
of
> > usefulness and practicality than what it would realise on the market.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Noddy.
> >
> >
>
> Totally agree. I also hate wasting resources if there is no need to.
> Personally I almost don't care which car is getting me from A to B :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
>

$150 is not cheap but an ok price. Lots of places quote a pretty fat
premium for fitting 2nd hand glass. $80 is the best I've struck in the
last few years and around $300 the worst. Cheers

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From: Clocky on 24 May 2010 09:16
Noddy wrote:
> "TonyS" <scarborofun(a)gmail.nspm.com> wrote in message
> news:97CdnTYs8dAO32fWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
>
>> Anyway, I got one from the wreckers for $135. Now I think of fitting
>> it myself.
>> Any tips? I am sure there are a few tricks I should know :-)
>
> There are, but it depends on what type of windscreen retention method
> it uses. Often on such hatches they employ an expanded rubber type
> where a plastic insert (which is often chromed) is pushed into the
> centre of the rubber to "expand" it and make it seal tight against
> the glass and body. The main rubber itself is usually fitted t the
> glass first and then the glass and rubber are fitted to the car as an
> "assembly" with a rope or some type of cord pushed into the outer
> opening that goes over the body lip. The idea being that the glass is
> sat on the window opening and then the rope pulled from the inside to
> ease the rubber over the body lip. The expander moulding is then
> inserted into the rubber with a special tool to make it all seal.
> It's not an impossible task for a novice, but if you've never done one
> before you're going to find it a pretty daunting exercise. Especially
> if you don't have the tool to insert the moulding.
>
> It might be worth your while to call one of the local windscreen
> fitters for a quote on having them fit the replacement glass. Most of
> them do used refits at reasonable rates.
>
>> Is Sikaflex the right sealant?
>
> Sikaflex make about a dozen or more different varieties of sealants
> and adhesives, and you'd need to visit their website to see if they
> make something that would be suitable for use as a windscreen
> sealant. They may do, but if they do I've not seen it. Most of the
> stuff they make is excellent, but it's generally not designed to be
> pulled apart after it's set and that's usually *not* want you want
> for fitting windscreens unless you don't mind removing the old rubber
> with a hammer and chisel next time you have to replace the glass.
>
> Caulking compound is normally the usual sealant.
>
>> Where can I buy new trims?
>
> For a '91 Pulsar? You're kidding, right? :)
>
> Seriously, you'd be hard pressed finding *anything* new for an almost
> 20 year old car today. Try a wreckers or ebay for good used ones.
>
>> Do I have to clean off all the foamy stuff?
>
> Sorry, but I have no idea what "foamy stuff" you're referring to.
>
>> True. But a car that works and everything has been fixed (serviced
>> with all filters and sparks replaced, brakes, exhaust, coolant
>> flushed, new tyres, not a single bit of rust) is worth hanging on to.
>
> Indeed it is.
>
> I just did a repair on a Daewoo Nubira for one of the wife's
> girlfriend's husband. It snapped a timing belt and bent a shitload of
> valves, and the fix cost him around 1200 bucks at mate's rates.

As predicted ;-)

Most
> people would probably think spending that kind of money on a 10 year
> old Daewoo Nubira is not a brilliant idea, but then the rest of the
> car is in excellent condition with only 115k km's on the dial, and
> even though the repair was getting close to the car's market value
> it's worth a whole lot more to the bloke in terms of usefulness and
> practicality than what it would realise on the market.

Sometimes it's better the devil you know especially if the budget is tight
and you're restricted to buying another bunky with an unknown history.





From: Noddy on 24 May 2010 09:19

"Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message
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> As predicted ;-)

Indeed :)

> Sometimes it's better the devil you know especially if the budget is tight
> and you're restricted to buying another bunky with an unknown history.

Absolutely.

--
Regards,
Noddy.


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