Does a bicycle TAKING THE LANE slow down traffic?
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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Aug 2010 23:17 On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:45:08 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: > On Aug 8, 5:31 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:51:06 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, >> Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Aug 8, 11:48 am, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:31:04 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, >> >> Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: >> >> >> > On Aug 8, 11:13 am, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:49:21 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, >> >> >> Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: >> >> >> >> > A couple of days ago, my good but unintelligent neighbor got mad when >> >> >> > I told him of my campaign to TAKE THE LANE. >> >> >> >> Not a problem. If you TAKE THE LANE like one lame-brain did on a blind >> >> >> corner, there will be one less bicyclist on the road as well. >> >> >> > Wrong. When you take the lane you are more visible around blind >> >> > curves. >> >> >> This girl wasn't. Good thing I have good brakes. Judging from the size of >> >> the brown stain I bet she won't be "asserting her rights" again >> >> >> Is poop easily removed from Spandex? >> >> > You causing casualties among the American population as if you were in >> > Afghanistan could be a problem. >> >> You have to use some common sense when bicycling. Riding two abreast in a >> 40 MPH zone when you're only making 12 MPH is not a good idea. Could be a >> good method to make the Darwin Awards. > > Driver want to TERRORIZE cyclists and pedestrians, that's it. > > On Aug 8, 12:37 pm, "Mike Painter" <md.pain...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement ofTantra-Hammock wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Anyway I want to go into the science behind it and try to prove that >> > TAKING THE LANE doesn't slow traffic from the current system in which >> > the drivers must move somewhat into the next lane not to hit you. >> >> You've answered your own question. >> If the speed limit is 35 and you are doing 15 then you do in fact slow >> traffic. >> >> If there is more than one lane and if you can move into the other lane >> safely then the other lane might not be impeded but teh lane the bike is in >> will always slow traffic. >> >> Living near a college town I see people granting mercy and space all the >> time. >> Many of the people who ride think they are immune from injury, always >> visible and not subject to the laws of traffic or physics. >> In California when riding a bycycle you are considered a vehicle and must >> obey all traffic laws, a rare sight indeed. >> >> My last close one came when I was making a right turn through a yield sign. >> I glanced back to my right before proceeding and saw a bike, on the >> sidewalk, coming at high speed. He crossed the intersection in front of me >> going the wrong way. Had I not stopped he probably would have run into me. > > The same thing just happened to me while driving. The cyclist gave me > a scare, but he must have seen me. WHY DON'T THEY BAN CYCLING ON > SIDEWALKS? Mass used to ban bikes on sidewalks, but now it's encouraged when there are no pedestrians on the sidewalks. I also never could understand riding WITH traffic. Somebody coming up behind you blows a tire, and you don't know about it until AFTER he's run you over... If you're looking in that direction (ie, riding against traffic) then you can SEE it and get the hell out of the way! > > What kind of respect do PEDESTRIANS get that don't deserve protection > from cyclists? > > Just like in the Animal Kingdom we have a FOOD CHAIN at work. > > But nobody has demonstrated to me that drivers are slowed down by > cyclists taking the lane. The drivers must avoid the cyclist and move > away from him, the more the better. WHY AREN'T DRIVERS HONEST AND TELL > US THEY WANT US OUT OF THEIR WAY, AND PASS THE PROBLEM TO THE > POWERLESS PEDESTRIANS?
From: edspyhill01 on 9 Aug 2010 05:01 On Aug 8, 8:45 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 5:31 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:51:06 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, > > Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: > > > > On Aug 8, 11:48 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > > >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:31:04 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, > > >> Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: > > > >> > On Aug 8, 11:13 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > > >> >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:49:21 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, > > >> >> Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: > > > >> >> > A couple of days ago, my good but unintelligent neighbor got mad when > > >> >> > I told him of my campaign to TAKE THE LANE. > > > >> >> Not a problem. If you TAKE THE LANE like one lame-brain did on a blind > > >> >> corner, there will be one less bicyclist on the road as well. > > > >> > Wrong. When you take the lane you are more visible around blind > > >> > curves. > > > >> This girl wasn't. Good thing I have good brakes. Judging from the size of > > >> the brown stain I bet she won't be "asserting her rights" again > > > >> Is poop easily removed from Spandex? > > > > You causing casualties among the American population as if you were in > > > Afghanistan could be a problem. > > > You have to use some common sense when bicycling. Riding two abreast in a > > 40 MPH zone when you're only making 12 MPH is not a good idea. Could be a > > good method to make the Darwin Awards. > > Driver want to TERRORIZE cyclists and pedestrians, that's it. > > On Aug 8, 12:37 pm, "Mike Painter" <md.pain...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > > > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement ofTantra-Hammock wrote: > > > > Anyway I want to go into the science behind it and try to prove that > > > TAKING THE LANE doesn't slow traffic from the current system in which > > > the drivers must move somewhat into the next lane not to hit you. > > > You've answered your own question. > > If the speed limit is 35 and you are doing 15 then you do in fact slow > > traffic. > > > If there is more than one lane and if you can move into the other lane > > safely then the other lane might not be impeded but teh lane the bike is in > > will always slow traffic. > > > Living near a college town I see people granting mercy and space all the > > time. > > Many of the people who ride think they are immune from injury, always > > visible and not subject to the laws of traffic or physics. > > In California when riding a bycycle you are considered a vehicle and must > > obey all traffic laws, a rare sight indeed. > > > My last close one came when I was making a right turn through a yield sign. > > I glanced back to my right before proceeding and saw a bike, on the > > sidewalk, coming at high speed. He crossed the intersection in front of me > > going the wrong way. Had I not stopped he probably would have run into me. > > The same thing just happened to me while driving. The cyclist gave me > a scare, but he must have seen me. WHY DON'T THEY BAN CYCLING ON > SIDEWALKS? > > What kind of respect do PEDESTRIANS get that don't deserve protection > from cyclists? > > Just like in the Animal Kingdom we have a FOOD CHAIN at work. > > But nobody has demonstrated to me that drivers are slowed down by > cyclists taking the lane. The drivers must avoid the cyclist and move > away from him, the more the better. WHY AREN'T DRIVERS HONEST AND TELL > US THEY WANT US OUT OF THEIR WAY, AND PASS THE PROBLEM TO THE > POWERLESS PEDESTRIANS?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Ok monkey mind, time to ignore you.
From: N8N on 9 Aug 2010 09:22 On Aug 8, 1:49 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > A couple of days ago, my good but unintelligent neighbor got mad when > I told him of my campaign to TAKE THE LANE. So long as you are taking the lane only when you need to, there shouldn't be a problem - because taking the lane should only be done when it is unsafe for the MV traffic to pass you anyway. nate
From: N8N on 9 Aug 2010 09:24 On Aug 8, 2:13 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:49:21 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, > Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote: > > > > > A couple of days ago, my good but unintelligent neighbor got mad when > > I told him of my campaign to TAKE THE LANE. > > Not a problem. If you TAKE THE LANE like one lame-brain did on a blind > corner, there will be one less bicyclist on the road as well. As someone who was run off the road once because some numbnuts decided to pass a cyclist on a blind corner, I am going to have to disagree with your position. Had that cyclist taken the lane, perhaps the idiot driver wouldn't have tried to pass him where it was unsafe to do so. (then again, I might have been in a head-on instead of just getting some scrapes from the shrubbery on the pass. side of my car...) nate
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock on 9 Aug 2010 09:34
On Aug 9, 6:22 am, N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 1:49 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > A couple of days ago, my good but unintelligent neighbor got mad when > > I told him of my campaign to TAKE THE LANE. > > So long as you are taking the lane only when you need to, there > shouldn't be a problem - because taking the lane should only be done > when it is unsafe for the MV traffic to pass you anyway. > > nate Who makes that judgment of a lane being unsafe, you or the driver? How about an SUV which is unreasonably W-I-D-E? |