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From: Adrian on 13 Mar 2010 04:02
FrengaX <hnkjqrh02(a)sneakemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> Motorists on these NGs have been pointing to a lack of deaths caused by
>> the recent spate of car faults as some kind of an excuse. Well it looks
>> as if they haven't been properly investigated in this car- centric side
>> of the pond. Our government has stayed well out of the picture as it
>> allows millions to continue driving these dangerous vehicles with
>> faults on our roads. What will it take to stop drivers killing people?

> Just allegations - nothing proven, and driven by greed and an excuse to
> extract a payout, even if it was just their poor driving. Note that this
> is just a civil suit with a much lower proof bar. I don't see anyone
> talking criminal prosecutions anywhere.

Or, even, "investigating" as Duhg alleges in the subject line.
From: Doug on 13 Mar 2010 04:21
On 13 Mar, 08:49, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 8:32 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 13 Mar, 08:27, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Toyota are amongst the best made mass produced vehicles, with a
> > > reputation for good quality. It was just unfortunate that they fitted
> > > a batch of accelerator pedals from a component supplier that could
> > > become a bit sticky over time. Toyota are now replacing these with a
> > > modified pedal free of charge. Their hybrid vehicles also suffered
> > > from a minor computer programming error relating to the regenerative
> > > braking system. This didn't actually stop the brakes from working, but
> > > changed the feel of them for about a second when first applied (serves
> > > people right for buying an expensive, politically correct 'green'
> > > car). This is also being corrected.
>
> > > These sorts of things occasionally happen in the vehicle manufacturing
> > > world. My previous Citroen was recalled because of a faulty batch of
> > > road wheels, and many other makes have had safety recalls for various
> > > reasons.
>
> > > Don't bikes ever suffer from component failures? I seem to remember
> > > someone saying that he was dumped onto the road in front of an HGV
> > > (that fortunately stopped) when his handlebars snapped as he
> > > accelerated away from some traffic lights. I once had an accident
> > > caused by a brake cable snapping. Many bicycle riders seem to suffer
> > > from faulty brain components that stop them from being able to read
> > > and take in the Highway Code, from recognising red traffic lights and
> > > other road signs, from being able to tell the footpath from the road,
> > > from avoiding knocking over little old ladies and small children on
> > > the road or footpath, and from recognising the need to carry working
> > > lights at night!
>
> > Bicycles are much less dangerous than cars and this should always be
> > taken into account.
>
> Not according to Petronella Wyatt's mother, the mother of a small girl
> knocked over by a cyclist featured in Inside Out London and the
> pedestrian population of Watford who have to share their
> pedestrianised town centre and parks with cyclists. Ditto Cambridge.
>
How do you know that she doesn't think cars are more dangerous than
bicycles? Would she have been happier if her child had been run over
by a motorist instead?
>
> > > Although I don't own one, I would be very happy to drive a Toyota
> > > (especially in the South-East London area!).
>
> > Typical couldn't care less motorist's attitude.
>
> I would be happy to drive a Toyota because they are a good, safe, well
> made car, despite your ranting vendetta against them.> --
>
Recent news suggests otherwise.

--
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From: FrengaX on 13 Mar 2010 04:31
On Mar 13, 9:21 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> On 13 Mar, 08:49, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 8:32 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 13 Mar, 08:27, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > Toyota are amongst the best made mass produced vehicles, with a
> > > > reputation for good quality. It was just unfortunate that they fitted
> > > > a batch of accelerator pedals from a component supplier that could
> > > > become a bit sticky over time. Toyota are now replacing these with a
> > > > modified pedal free of charge. Their hybrid vehicles also suffered
> > > > from a minor computer programming error relating to the regenerative
> > > > braking system. This didn't actually stop the brakes from working, but
> > > > changed the feel of them for about a second when first applied (serves
> > > > people right for buying an expensive, politically correct 'green'
> > > > car). This is also being corrected.
>
> > > > These sorts of things occasionally happen in the vehicle manufacturing
> > > > world. My previous Citroen was recalled because of a faulty batch of
> > > > road wheels, and many other makes have had safety recalls for various
> > > > reasons.
>
> > > > Don't bikes ever suffer from component failures? I seem to remember
> > > > someone saying that he was dumped onto the road in front of an HGV
> > > > (that fortunately stopped) when his handlebars snapped as he
> > > > accelerated away from some traffic lights. I once had an accident
> > > > caused by a brake cable snapping. Many bicycle riders seem to suffer
> > > > from faulty brain components that stop them from being able to read
> > > > and take in the Highway Code, from recognising red traffic lights and
> > > > other road signs, from being able to tell the footpath from the road,
> > > > from avoiding knocking over little old ladies and small children on
> > > > the road or footpath, and from recognising the need to carry working
> > > > lights at night!
>
> > > Bicycles are much less dangerous than cars and this should always be
> > > taken into account.
>
> > Not according to Petronella Wyatt's mother, the mother of a small girl
> > knocked over by a cyclist featured in Inside Out London and the
> > pedestrian population of Watford who have to share their
> > pedestrianised town centre and parks with cyclists. Ditto Cambridge.
>
> How do you know that she doesn't think cars are more dangerous than
> bicycles? Would she have been happier if her child had been run over
> by a motorist instead?
>
> > > > Although I don't own one, I would be very happy to drive a Toyota
> > > > (especially in the South-East London area!).
>
> > > Typical couldn't care less motorist's attitude.
>
> > I would be happy to drive a Toyota because they are a good, safe, well
> > made car, despite your ranting vendetta against them.

Not quite true. Doug just has a vendetta against any motorised
vehicle, and will grasp at any straw to make his pathetic case. This
is just his latest lamentable attempt, blowing up a very rare issue as
some major crisis.

> Recent news suggests otherwise.

No it doesn't. They are still good, reliable cars in the main. Issues
are no worse than any other car. You have to stop confusing media
hysteria with the cold statistics.
From: Adrian on 13 Mar 2010 04:37
Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> I would be happy to drive a Toyota because they are a good, safe, well
> made car, despite your ranting vendetta against them.

I wouldn't. They're mind-bendingly dull.
From: delboy on 13 Mar 2010 05:18
On Mar 13, 9:37 am, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
> > I would be happy to drive a Toyota because they are a good, safe, well
> > made car, despite your ranting vendetta against them.
>
> I wouldn't. They're mind-bendingly dull.

The Toyota Land Cruiser V8 looks quite interesting!

It certainly has the greatest potential to upset Doug!

Derek C
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