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From: Doug on 13 Mar 2010 02:15
Motorists on these NGs have been pointing to a lack of deaths caused
by the recent spate of car faults as some kind of an excuse. Well it
looks as if they haven't been properly investigated in this car-
centric side of the pond. Our government has stayed well out of the
picture as it allows millions to continue driving these dangerous
vehicles with faults on our roads. What will it take to stop drivers
killing people?

"California sues Toyota for faults

Several dozen lawsuits have already been launched against Toyota

Prosecutors in California are suing Toyota, claiming the Japanese
carmaker sold hundreds of thousands of vehicles that it knew had
defects.

The world's largest carmaker has recalled millions of vehicles because
of problems accelerating and braking.

Regulators have linked five deaths to crashes allegedly caused by
accelerator problems and are investigating dozens of others.

The company said it had not been served with the lawsuit and would not
comment.

Officials in Orange County, in southern California, claim Toyota knew
of defects with the acceleration system in several models, but did not
tell customers.

"We'll be alleging in court, on behalf of the people of Orange County,
that Toyota knowingly sold cars and trucks with defects that caused
Toyotas to accelerate suddenly and uncontrollably," said Orange County
District Attorney Tony Rackauckas..."

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8565637.stm

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From: FrengaX on 13 Mar 2010 02:44
On Mar 13, 7:15 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> Motorists on these NGs have been pointing to a lack of deaths caused
> by the recent spate of car faults as some kind of an excuse. Well it
> looks as if they haven't been properly investigated in this car-
> centric side of the pond. Our government has stayed well out of the
> picture as it allows millions to continue driving these dangerous
> vehicles with faults on our roads. What will it take to stop drivers
> killing people?

Just allegations - nothing proven, and driven by greed and an excuse
to extract a payout, even if it was just their poor driving. Note that
this is just a civil suit with a much lower proof bar. I don't see
anyone talking criminal prosecutions anywhere.

Oh, as for your last ridiculous question, how about you tell us?
From: Derek C on 13 Mar 2010 03:27
On Mar 13, 7:15 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> Motorists on these NGs have been pointing to a lack of deaths caused
> by the recent spate of car faults as some kind of an excuse. Well it
> looks as if they haven't been properly investigated in this car-
> centric side of the pond. Our government has stayed well out of the
> picture as it allows millions to continue driving these dangerous
> vehicles with faults on our roads. What will it take to stop drivers
> killing people?
>
> "California sues Toyota for faults
>
> Several dozen lawsuits have already been launched against Toyota
>
> Prosecutors in California are suing Toyota, claiming the Japanese
> carmaker sold hundreds of thousands of vehicles that it knew had
> defects.
>
> The world's largest carmaker has recalled millions of vehicles because
> of problems accelerating and braking.
>
> Regulators have linked five deaths to crashes allegedly caused by
> accelerator problems and are investigating dozens of others.
>
> The company said it had not been served with the lawsuit and would not
> comment.
>
> Officials in Orange County, in southern California, claim Toyota knew
> of defects with the acceleration system in several models, but did not
> tell customers.
>
> "We'll be alleging in court, on behalf of the people of Orange County,
> that Toyota knowingly sold cars and trucks with defects that caused
> Toyotas to accelerate suddenly and uncontrollably," said Orange County
> District Attorney Tony Rackauckas..."
>
> More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8565637.stm
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
> A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Toyota are amongst the best made mass produced vehicles, with a
reputation for good quality. It was just unfortunate that they fitted
a batch of accelerator pedals from a component supplier that could
become a bit sticky over time. Toyota are now replacing these with a
modified pedal free of charge. Their hybrid vehicles also suffered
from a minor computer programming error relating to the regenerative
braking system. This didn't actually stop the brakes from working, but
changed the feel of them for about a second when first applied (serves
people right for buying an expensive, politically correct 'green'
car). This is also being corrected.

These sorts of things occasionally happen in the vehicle manufacturing
world. My previous Citroen was recalled because of a faulty batch of
road wheels, and many other makes have had safety recalls for various
reasons.

Don't bikes ever suffer from component failures? I seem to remember
someone saying that he was dumped onto the road in front of an HGV
(that fortunately stopped) when his handlebars snapped as he
accelerated away from some traffic lights. I once had an accident
caused by a brake cable snapping. Many bicycle riders seem to suffer
from faulty brain components that stop them from being able to read
and take in the Highway Code, from recognising red traffic lights and
other road signs, from being able to tell the footpath from the road,
from avoiding knocking over little old ladies and small children on
the road or footpath, and from recognising the need to carry working
lights at night!

Although I don't own one, I would be very happy to drive a Toyota
(especially in the South-East London area!).

Derek C
From: Doug on 13 Mar 2010 03:32
On 13 Mar, 08:27, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 7:15 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Motorists on these NGs have been pointing to a lack of deaths caused
> > by the recent spate of car faults as some kind of an excuse. Well it
> > looks as if they haven't been properly investigated in this car-
> > centric side of the pond. Our government has stayed well out of the
> > picture as it allows millions to continue driving these dangerous
> > vehicles with faults on our roads. What will it take to stop drivers
> > killing people?
>
> > "California sues Toyota for faults
>
> > Several dozen lawsuits have already been launched against Toyota
>
> > Prosecutors in California are suing Toyota, claiming the Japanese
> > carmaker sold hundreds of thousands of vehicles that it knew had
> > defects.
>
> > The world's largest carmaker has recalled millions of vehicles because
> > of problems accelerating and braking.
>
> > Regulators have linked five deaths to crashes allegedly caused by
> > accelerator problems and are investigating dozens of others.
>
> > The company said it had not been served with the lawsuit and would not
> > comment.
>
> > Officials in Orange County, in southern California, claim Toyota knew
> > of defects with the acceleration system in several models, but did not
> > tell customers.
>
> > "We'll be alleging in court, on behalf of the people of Orange County,
> > that Toyota knowingly sold cars and trucks with defects that caused
> > Toyotas to accelerate suddenly and uncontrollably," said Orange County
> > District Attorney Tony Rackauckas..."
>
> > More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8565637.stm
>
> > --
> > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
> > A driving licence is a licence to kill.
>
> Toyota are amongst the best made mass produced vehicles, with a
> reputation for good quality. It was just unfortunate that they fitted
> a batch of accelerator pedals from a component supplier that could
> become a bit sticky over time. Toyota are now replacing these with a
> modified pedal free of charge. Their hybrid vehicles also suffered
> from a minor computer programming error relating to the regenerative
> braking system. This didn't actually stop the brakes from working, but
> changed the feel of them for about a second when first applied (serves
> people right for buying an expensive, politically correct 'green'
> car). This is also being corrected.
>
> These sorts of things occasionally happen in the vehicle manufacturing
> world. My previous Citroen was recalled because of a faulty batch of
> road wheels, and many other makes have had safety recalls for various
> reasons.
>
> Don't bikes ever suffer from component failures? I seem to remember
> someone saying that he was dumped onto the road in front of an HGV
> (that fortunately stopped) when his handlebars snapped as he
> accelerated away from some traffic lights. I once had an accident
> caused by a brake cable snapping. Many bicycle riders seem to suffer
> from faulty brain components that stop them from being able to read
> and take in the Highway Code, from recognising red traffic lights and
> other road signs, from being able to tell the footpath from the road,
> from avoiding knocking over little old ladies and small children on
> the road or footpath, and from recognising the need to carry working
> lights at night!
>
Bicycles are much less dangerous than cars and this should always be
taken into account.
>
> Although I don't own one, I would be very happy to drive a Toyota
> (especially in the South-East London area!).
>
Typical couldn't care less motorist's attitude.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

From: Derek C on 13 Mar 2010 03:49
On Mar 13, 8:32 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> On 13 Mar, 08:27, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Toyota are amongst the best made mass produced vehicles, with a
> > reputation for good quality. It was just unfortunate that they fitted
> > a batch of accelerator pedals from a component supplier that could
> > become a bit sticky over time. Toyota are now replacing these with a
> > modified pedal free of charge. Their hybrid vehicles also suffered
> > from a minor computer programming error relating to the regenerative
> > braking system. This didn't actually stop the brakes from working, but
> > changed the feel of them for about a second when first applied (serves
> > people right for buying an expensive, politically correct 'green'
> > car). This is also being corrected.
>
> > These sorts of things occasionally happen in the vehicle manufacturing
> > world. My previous Citroen was recalled because of a faulty batch of
> > road wheels, and many other makes have had safety recalls for various
> > reasons.
>
> > Don't bikes ever suffer from component failures? I seem to remember
> > someone saying that he was dumped onto the road in front of an HGV
> > (that fortunately stopped) when his handlebars snapped as he
> > accelerated away from some traffic lights. I once had an accident
> > caused by a brake cable snapping. Many bicycle riders seem to suffer
> > from faulty brain components that stop them from being able to read
> > and take in the Highway Code, from recognising red traffic lights and
> > other road signs, from being able to tell the footpath from the road,
> > from avoiding knocking over little old ladies and small children on
> > the road or footpath, and from recognising the need to carry working
> > lights at night!
>
> Bicycles are much less dangerous than cars and this should always be
> taken into account.

Not according to Petronella Wyatt's mother, the mother of a small girl
knocked over by a cyclist featured in Inside Out London and the
pedestrian population of Watford who have to share their
pedestrianised town centre and parks with cyclists. Ditto Cambridge.
>
> > Although I don't own one, I would be very happy to drive a Toyota
> > (especially in the South-East London area!).
>
> Typical couldn't care less motorist's attitude.
>
I would be happy to drive a Toyota because they are a good, safe, well
made car, despite your ranting vendetta against them.
> --
Derek C
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